Sandy or Ivy

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Sandy or Ivy

1. Sandy
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2. Sandy E
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8%
3. Ivy
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55%
4. Smoked Gouda
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Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:56 pm

Now that performance figures have been released for Ivy, I'm curious as to which one people would upgrade to now, and why?
Other than the temperature issue when bumping the voltage up on Ivy for overclocks around 4.9 , is it that less compelling than Sandy?
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:03 pm

Ultimately, IMO, Ivy's temperature is really only a concern if you're going for the über-overclock thing. So I voted for it.
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:09 pm

I voted for Smoked Gouda as I think it is the best choice :)
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:11 pm

Cheese for me. Current game plan is to sit tight with my Phenom II X6. :wink:

And as the poster above me notes, Smoked Gouda is quite yummy! (Goes well with a nice Strong Belgian Ale, or even a Rauchbier...)
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:23 pm

SB-E on a board that can handle 64 GB gets my vote. It's easily the most interesting. Ivy gets second place.
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:54 pm

flip-mode wrote:SB-E on a board that can handle 64 GB gets my vote. It's easily the most interesting. Ivy gets second place.


Maybe we should get his usage scenario before we go that high end.

Ivy gets my vote. Still plenty of performance for a pretty good price.
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:03 pm

For a brand new system, you can't go past the USB 3.0, PCI 3 and mild overclocking advantages of Ivy (lower power draw and higher performance clock for clock). I keep my CPUs for about 4 or 5 years, so PCI 3 is important to me. Sandy is a GREAT chip, but Ivy is marginally better.
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:03 pm

Processsors are nice, but nothing beats CHEESE.
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:26 pm

Get what is best for the price point.

You can't go wrong with either choice.

The whole Ivy Bridge overclocking thing is just a ton of hot-air from butt-hurting overclockers.
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:36 pm

Sandy for desktop. Ivy for mobile. Pretty simple.
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:36 pm

I'm going to sit tight with my i5-2500K, but if it suddenly vanished I'd build an Ivy system.
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:20 pm

Stock 3770K is more powerful than my i7-920@4.2 while consuming way less power and generating way less heat. I'm waiting for a Thunderbolt equipped motherboard in June before I buy. The 920 based rig will become my Linux box.
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:47 am

DancinJack wrote:Maybe we should get his usage scenario before we go that high end. Ivy gets my vote. Still plenty of performance for a pretty good price.

I don't think he's asking for advice. I think he's just asking which you'd pick for yourself.
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:23 am

For me, Ivy Bridge. Two reasons: native PCIe 3.0 support :D and I currently have an older Athlon system :( . If I had Sandy Bridge, I would stand pat.
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:52 am

flip-mode wrote:
DancinJack wrote:Maybe we should get his usage scenario before we go that high end. Ivy gets my vote. Still plenty of performance for a pretty good price.

I don't think he's asking for advice. I think he's just asking which you'd pick for yourself.


Flip is right, I'm just curious as what people would upgrade to at this point in time if they were building new.
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Bulldozer prices , does that change anyone's opinion on that proc too?
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:58 am

rogue426 wrote:Other than the temperature issue when bumping the voltage up on Ivy for overclocks around 4.9 , is it that less compelling than Sandy?


I'l be buying a non-K variant, so not an issue for me!
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:46 am

rogue426 wrote:Now that AMD has cut Bulldozer prices, does that change anyone's opinion on that proc too?

Yes, but still not enough to make me want one unless I already had an AM3+ motherboard on hand (which is unlikely since the only reason to buy an AM3+ motherboard is to run Bulldozer). If they drop the price again by a similar amount, I will start seriously considering it for new builds.
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:53 am

For me rogue426, Bulldozer is a disappointment. Lower prices are nice, but Piledriver needs to come out to atone for BD's shortcomings. Ivy is probably better for notebooks than desktops that are overclocked. Then again, I built my current system seven years ago (and made a few upgrades within the last six months). So for me, starting over means Ivy Bridge.... unless Piledriver comes out relatively early.
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:04 am

I said ivy. For most people, if you have sandy, not worth uograding, but if you have something older and need a new system, get ivy as its pretty much the same price.
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:24 am

just brew it! wrote:Yes, but still not enough to make me want one unless I already had an AM3+ motherboard on hand (which is unlikely since the only reason to buy an AM3+ motherboard is to run Bulldozer). If they drop the price again by a similar amount, I will start seriously considering it for new builds.


A FX-8150 at $150 would be very tempting - a lot of processing power for very little money. Wonder how it runs 30 firefox tabs. That's the majority of the workload I will be running through a processor.
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:40 am

NarwhaleAu wrote:
just brew it! wrote:Yes, but still not enough to make me want one unless I already had an AM3+ motherboard on hand (which is unlikely since the only reason to buy an AM3+ motherboard is to run Bulldozer). If they drop the price again by a similar amount, I will start seriously considering it for new builds.


A FX-8150 at $150 would be very tempting - a lot of processing power for very little money. Wonder how it runs 30 firefox tabs. That's the majority of the workload I will be running through a processor.


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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:43 am

NarwhaleAu wrote:
just brew it! wrote:Yes, but still not enough to make me want one unless I already had an AM3+ motherboard on hand (which is unlikely since the only reason to buy an AM3+ motherboard is to run Bulldozer). If they drop the price again by a similar amount, I will start seriously considering it for new builds.

A FX-8150 at $150 would be very tempting - a lot of processing power for very little money.

I would probably bite at around $170-$180.

(I've actually got an informal rule that I will not pay more than $200 for any single component. I think I've broken this rule less than a half dozen times in the past 15 years.)
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:05 am

just brew it! wrote:I would probably bite at around $170-$180.

(I've actually got an informal rule that I will not pay more than $200 for any single component. I think I've broken this rule less than a half dozen times in the past 15 years.)


Good rule. Do you include processors and video cards?
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:19 am

BitBlaster wrote:
just brew it! wrote:I would probably bite at around $170-$180.

(I've actually got an informal rule that I will not pay more than $200 for any single component. I think I've broken this rule less than a half dozen times in the past 15 years.)

Good rule. Do you include processors and video cards?

Yup. And given that I'm not a gamer any more, following the rule has become a lot easier...
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:47 am

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BitBlaster wrote:
just brew it! wrote:I would probably bite at around $170-$180.

(I've actually got an informal rule that I will not pay more than $200 for any single component. I think I've broken this rule less than a half dozen times in the past 15 years.)

Good rule. Do you include processors and video cards?

Yup. And given that I'm not a gamer any more, following the rule has become a lot easier...


If you don't mind my asking, on what did you spend more than 200$?

I'm currently looking to build.
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:59 am

BitBlaster wrote:If you don't mind my asking, on what did you spend more than 200$?

I'm currently looking to build.

Goes back quite a few years, to when I built a dual Athlon MP box roughly a decade ago. Motherboard and CPUs were all a little pricier than I was accustomed to paying. I believe there was also a video card a number of years back (when I was still gaming) that I paid around $250 for.
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:14 am

End User wrote:Stock 3770K is more powerful than my i7-920@4.2 while consuming way less power and generating way less heat. I'm waiting for a Thunderbolt equipped motherboard in June before I buy. The 920 based rig will become my Linux box.


Not to nitpick or anything, but that OC'ed i7-920@ still beats the 3770K (3.5Ghz/3.9Ghz Turbo) at stock by a decent margin in mutli-threaded applications and it is a tiny bit faster at single-threaded applications. Sandy-Bridge/Ivy Bridges are not much faster in IPC performance than their Bloomfield predecessors.

Although, the 3770K is no slouch. It consumes less than half the power then that OC'ed i7-920, while having anywhere between 90-70% of the performance.
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:46 am

flip-mode wrote:
DancinJack wrote:Maybe we should get his usage scenario before we go that high end. Ivy gets my vote. Still plenty of performance for a pretty good price.

I don't think he's asking for advice. I think he's just asking which you'd pick for yourself.


My bad.

I'd still pick Ivy!
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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:05 pm

Krogoth wrote:
End User wrote:Stock 3770K is more powerful than my i7-920@4.2 while consuming way less power and generating way less heat. I'm waiting for a Thunderbolt equipped motherboard in June before I buy. The 920 based rig will become my Linux box.


Not to nitpick or anything, but that OC'ed i7-920@ still beats the 3770K (3.5Ghz/3.9Ghz Turbo) at stock by a decent margin in mutli-threaded applications and a tiny bit faster at single-threaded applications. Sandy-Bridge/Ivy Bridges are not much faster in IPC performance than their Bloomfield predecessors.

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Re: Sandy or Ivy

Postposted on Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:56 pm

rogue426 wrote:Now that AMD has cut Bulldozer prices , does that change anyone's opinion on that proc too?
Far as I am concerned, it is hard for these polls to take price into account. You have to assume that at the moment most people don't have the money set aside for a purchase, so the already budget is already hypothetical. So budgetary concerns should just not be a part out of the equation. IMO.
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