Personal computing discussed
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Game_boy wrote:He's completely right. Nvidia refuses to write an open driver nor release specs so an open driver can be written by someone else (for free).
Madman wrote:Game_boy wrote:you expect them to give away their multi-billion trade secrets, so that some geeks could improve them? Grow up.
Madman wrote:Who the F* cares? Their drivers work, and they work consistently and well among different distributions, they, most likely, have code optimizations for improved performance that's probably patented and developed for 20+ years, and shared with the Windows code-base. I don't have to thinker with stupid notepad every time kernel is updated via apt-get, or when the new driver version comes out.
The stupid attitude that everything has to be open-source is what makes Linux pretty much irrelevant and crappily supported by all software vendors. Common, intellectual property of some companies is probably worth more than the whole Linux ecosystem, and you expect them to give away their multi-billion trade secrets, so that some geeks could improve them? Grow up..
Washer wrote:http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members
Those geeks care.
Game_boy wrote:AMD had a legal team look at Radeon specs for six months to remove all the secrets before releasing. Harm done: zero Cost: one-time
Game_boy wrote:Intel is even better because they only have an open driver (again no harm to them) and they've lead the way on a number of Linux graphics standards that brought the APIs up to Windows/DX level featureset and ease of use.
Madman wrote:And people who care about graphics, don't care about this open-source driver either way...
The difference with Intel is that they don't produce graphic cards, they call them graphic cards, but if you want graphics, you chose anything but Intel. So dumb video buffer driver can be either open source or closed source, no one cares either way.
Game_boy wrote:Wow. This shows you know nothing and that you don't read TR. Intel's architecture has improved enough that it outperforms recent low-end AMD and Nvidia offerings, and matches them in feature set and programmability. Any graphics engineer would say it has equal standing to AMD or Nvidia in technology relevance. And as I said Intel has helped out with Linux graphics very much because they are open source, it'd be far behind Windows in features for all cards if not for their leadership on X.Org.
Madman wrote:Washer wrote:http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members
Those geeks care.
They don't care, THEY INVEST, where it makes sense. Do you see Adobe Photoshop CS6 for Linux? Adobe is a silver member...
Do you see Android stuff backported to Linux by Google much, or being a real Linux? Google is a gold member...
Do you see widely available Linux preinstalled Dell PC's? Dell is a silver member...
Do you see Nvidia open source drivers? Nvidia is a silver member....
It's all business, these companies support Linux where it makes sense, they will not give away their competitive advantage to boost OS which is constantly failing either way, only because OS has some sort of an identity crisis.
Open source Photoshop? You wish...
zzz wrote:I like Linux, I think it's great it exists, but there's no lack of support from Nvidia. They just don't want randoms touching their code and possibly making them look bad, I can't fault them for that. I *can* fault the Linux community for expecting things for free.
zzz wrote:I *can* fault the Linux community for expecting things for free.
Krogoth wrote:Care to enlightenment me?
zzz wrote:I like Linux, I think it's great it exists, but there's no lack of support from Nvidia. They just don't want randoms touching their code and possibly making them look bad, I can't fault them for that. I *can* fault the Linux community for expecting things for free.
zzz wrote:I like Linux, I think it's great it exists, but there's no lack of support from Nvidia. They just don't want randoms touching their code and possibly making them look bad, I can't fault them for that. I *can* fault the Linux community for expecting things for free.