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sherlock wrote:Thanks for your comment on the newegg reviews, I have been reading the 1s and 5s mostly...
JustAnEngineer wrote:but the color and brightness accuracy are horrible
Chrispy_ wrote:I disagree. Perhaps before the discovery of Korean IPS it would be different, but with some more reasonably priced IPS displays and (hopefully) a coming IPS price war, TN's major advantage (price) is going to become less relevant, and the value proposition is going to lean heavily in favor of IPS displays.TN's major disadvantages are irrelevant.
superjawes wrote:TN's major advantage (price)
sherlock wrote:$118
Chrispy_ wrote:superjawes wrote:Chrispy_ wrote:TN's major advantage (price)
If you're buying a cheap TN you're doing it wrong
120Hz screens are not cheap, their advantages are response time and black levels, not price.
Airmantharp wrote:For the motherboard- there is simply no reason to upgrade. If you're not going to go for record overclocks, and you're not based on your component choices (cooling, enclosure, PSU), then spending any more for a board just does not make sense. I own ASRock's Z68 Extreme4, and I'll vouch for it's chops, but it's unnecessary overkill for you. I wanted dual-GPU capability to run a 2560x1600 monitor.
Next, the GTX670 is 'enough' for many games at 120Hz, but be prepared to sacrifice quality in BF3 if you actually want to run it at a solid 120FPS in multi-player. BF3 MP is not the game you see in benchmarks; that game is something much less intensive. If you want 120FPS at 1080p with higher than medium settings in BF3, you need a pair of top end GPUs, or preferably a GTX690.
If you're going to stick to the GTX670, EVGA's FTW is as good as it gets with a blower, but your case is set up in a way that you could benefit from one of the cards using an aftermarket cooler. Don't worry about rated clock-speeds, every single one of these cards overclocks to a point, but focus on reviews that show how loud each card gets when overclocked.
Upgrading memory isn't necessary, but at the same time, I have 16GB in both my desktop and mobile workstations. RAM is seriously cheap, so if you can get 2x8GB DIMMs for a decent price, it might be worth; but remember, you should probably get Windows 7 Professional as well, so that you can use another 16GB if you decide to drop it in later.
sherlock wrote:over my HX650, seems like a upgrade in noise level and with their 15% coupon it is only 118
sherlock wrote:I plan on getting a second FTW in October and that in SLI should be good for what I need, I might buy a 690 during the holiday season and sell both FTWs.
DPete27 wrote:sherlock wrote:over my HX650, seems like a upgrade in noise level and with their 15% coupon it is only 118
Definetly!!sherlock wrote:I plan on getting a second FTW in October and that in SLI should be good for what I need, I might buy a 690 during the holiday season and sell both FTWs.
Are you kidding??? That's an insane waste of money IMO unless you KNOW you've got somewhere you can sell both 670's for almost retail price. Otherwise, if you're planning on getting a 690 in 4.5 months, just get it now.
sherlock wrote:While that's true if I had enough money on hand to budget a GTX690 rig I would have done so already, I couldn't budget one so I plan on getting a single FTW and SLI a month later. Yeah I probably will hold off on the selling both and get 690 part.
JustAnEngineer wrote:Please don't waste your money on a nasty TN LCD monitor. Yes, it's the fastest of the three main LCD panel technologies, but the color and brightness accuracy are horrible, especially when you are not looking looking directly perpendicular to the screen. IPS LCD monitors are plenty fast enough for 60 Hz gaming. What you want to look for are IPS monitors that have low input lag (or that can turn off some of their processing to reduce input lag).
superjawes wrote:
sherlock wrote:superjawes wrote:
Yeah, that's my original plan. I wanted get a single FTW and see the performance is good enough which it should be, I also saw from alot of sources that SLI might not be necessary, however I read from a few SLIer say for 120hz having 2 card each outputing 60hz is very useful. At any rate I will see how my single FTW goes on my 120hz monitor then decide : A. SLI in October, B. If 690 goes on a 30% discount on Black Friday I might get it and sell the FTW.
First piece ordered: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... nic%20x650, Seasonic X650 with promotional code for 118.99, picked this over my 114.99+shipping HX650 b/c I heard from a few X650 is better in noise level and efficiency.
superjawes wrote:sherlock wrote:superjawes wrote:
Yeah, that's my original plan. I wanted get a single FTW and see the performance is good enough which it should be, I also saw from alot of sources that SLI might not be necessary, however I read from a few SLIer say for 120hz having 2 card each outputing 60hz is very useful. At any rate I will see how my single FTW goes on my 120hz monitor then decide : A. SLI in October, B. If 690 goes on a 30% discount on Black Friday I might get it and sell the FTW.
First piece ordered: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... nic%20x650, Seasonic X650 with promotional code for 118.99, picked this over my 114.99+shipping HX650 b/c I heard from a few X650 is better in noise level and efficiency.
I posted that old article because it pointed out a potential problem with SLi and Crossfire setups. Mainly that the GPUs split the load, and the latency from transferring from one card to another can cause micro-stuttering.
I'm not sure what that might do at 120Hz, but I feel like it's too much of an inconvenience when you consider how much SLI costs, how much power it requires, and how much heat it generates. I'd rather save my money and just get a significantly faster GPU.
Airmantharp wrote:There is no 'significantly faster' GPU than the GTX670/HD7950. If those aren't close, you need more than one GPU. Running high settings in BF3 MP at 2MP/120Hz or >=4MP at 60Hz requires more than one high-end GPU of this generation.
TheEmrys wrote:Airmantharp wrote:There is no 'significantly faster' GPU than the GTX670/HD7950. If those aren't close, you need more than one GPU. Running high settings in BF3 MP at 2MP/120Hz or >=4MP at 60Hz requires more than one high-end GPU of this generation.
This is right on point. It will be a waste of money.
sherlock wrote:Regarding GTX660 I would wish to see a few reviews online and a few good Manufacture OC models before I pick them over FTW, I won't be able to budget the graphic card till end of the month anyway so I have time to wait(660 release date is either next Tuesday or Thursday, Thursday more likely).
Update: Purchased the PSU: Seasonic X650 Gold( over HX650 b/c less noise and more efficient) $118.99
Purchased Optical: LG 24X DVD burner(Shellshocker deal today) $ 14.39
Any recommendation for 120mm case fans, I have heard about those sell in cheap 4 packs for about 12-15 but couldn't find those deal s anywhere.
kumori wrote:I really like Samsung memory. It's low profile, very high quality, and will overclock very well.
Airmantharp wrote:If you're sticking with the 410 and a single GPU rig, you probably don't want any more fans, but if you do, what size do you want, how many, and where do you intend to put them in the case? Do you want to hook them straight up to 12v (4-pin Molex) from the PSU, run them through a fan controller, or use the motherboard headers and BIOS controls?