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Borderlands 2

Postposted on Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:20 am

Just curious who will be getting this game. Me and my friend have been waiting forever for it. The first one was by far one of the most fun games I have played in my entire life. The storyline may not be as deep as some other games, but its witty and fast paced gameplay made it amazing. There are not that many good co-op games out there and this fills my need.

I really wanted to get the ultimate loot chest edition but it sold out so fast I never got the chance.

So who else will be in pandora?
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:27 am

I'm actually not sure if there is a thread for this...I know that there's a 4-pack thread still out there somewhere.

But I will be playing for sure. The mechanics were very good (and you can't fix broken mechanics with story), and it looks like there is some good upgrades going on to the basic classes from the first. I'll miss Mordecai (sp?), but I am sure to have fun with Zer0.
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:30 am

superjawes wrote:I'm actually not sure if there is a thread for this...I know that there's a 4-pack thread still out there somewhere.

But I will be playing for sure. The mechanics were very good (and you can't fix broken mechanics with story), and it looks like there is some good upgrades going on to the basic classes from the first. I'll miss Mordecai (sp?), but I am sure to have fun with Zer0.


Yes I will be going from Mordecai to Zero as well.
I am kind of just hoping for not much change gameplay wise. I really enjoyed the way the first game went and I hope they didn't ruin this one.
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:40 am

I think the DLC's were a little bit weak, but I enjoyed the first game just fine without them.

I'm hoping they don't do 0-day DLC and leave the main storyline incomplete without it. That is just WRONG.
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:45 am

Chrispy_ wrote:I think the DLC's were a little bit weak, but I enjoyed the first game just fine without them.

I'm hoping they don't do 0-day DLC and leave the main storyline incomplete without it. That is just WRONG.


The general Knoxx armory DLC was probably the best DLC I have ever purchased for any game. Even though the driving in it was a bit crazy.
The rest of the DLC lacked. And were actually way to easy.
I was already max level playing the other DLC and could just walk through them.
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:47 am

I thought the day 0 DLC was going to be free, and was mostly to add the mechromancer class...am I wrong?

But speaking of DLC overall, Borderlands would be a grea candidate for a super short campaign at $30-$40, and then playing out the rest in episodes. Really, the mechanics are the key selling point, and more missions is how to play it out. I think it would work pretty well if they planned on telling the entire story that way (or just several shorter stories).

PS and Knoxx was pretty fun. I really liked Knoxx's character, and would hope to see him come back. Sure, he died, but it's not like the game is going for realism.
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:48 am

Yeah, Mord to Zero here, too.

I have my two GPU test rigs pre-loaded and ready to rock.

I suspect the DLC will be better this time. I expect they will have built in facilities for multiple save points and progression this time around. Not having that really caused some issues with the DLC for the first game, and they seemed to get that when I brought it up with a friend who works in PR there. Really doubt they repeat that mistake.

I'm also oddly excited about the existence of FXAA now, which "fixes" the AA problems in the original game (go try it) and will be built into the new one. (AMD's MLAA was initially less effective due to some visual artifacts, but they've cleaned it up somewhat, too, although FXAA still looked better last I checked.)

Also, news bomb: Although Nvidia initially trumpeted BL2 as one of the first games to use TXAA, it turns out the game won't support it. The deferred shading in UE3 just didn't mix with TXAA (which uses 2X MSAA plus a custom filter), apparently. No great shock, when you think about the history of UE games with MSAA.

Regardless, FXAA is a good solution for this problem, and it should mean the dark edges produced by that pseudo-cel-shader are smooth and crisp throughout.
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:52 am

Siren to Siren here.

Don't remember their names.

Maya and... um............ Lillypie?

Specc'ing for DPS and Healing I think. (Am playing 4xCo-op with mates so they'll need some of that healing).

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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:59 am

Questions did they fix the annoying bug where guns with 4 + modifiers didn't fit all their stats on the end and you had to shoot them a bit or compare prices to work out which one was better near the end of the game when guns were dropping with 6-7 stats?
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:25 am

Got a non-stop weekend session planned with Shoes, Sheldonmaus, and Entweichen. I am really looking forward to it. :D Friday can't come soon enough.
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:40 pm

It's unlocked now for people in USA! If you're still not sleeping - start playing! :wink:
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:06 am

Since I couldn't sleep, I logged an hour or so into the game. It doesn't seem nearly as forgiving as the first one was, where at least you started with a relevant weapon that fit your character (somewhat spoiler, you'll have to play a bit before you can get a sniper rifle).

But otherwise, It's very much as I left it, although there already seems to be more story. I'll be interested to see how that turns out, but the mechanics are back and working fine, and the humor (particularly Claptrap's) is excellent, too.

Happy hunting!

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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:19 am

Hmm... The "Premiere Club" DLC content doesn't appear to be working yet... Says "purchased", but "not downloaded" :-?
Anyways, I've played a few minutes so far - the game seems to be as entertaining as original Borderlands but I already dislike the in-game GUI for inventory and skills and such, looks like they simply changed it for the sake of "looking different", and it feels more confusing now...
And yes, it does seem to be less "forgiving" than the original game.
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:48 am

Well I put in about 5 hours last night instead of sleeping. Which was a bad idea. But here is what I found.

1. Graphics seem better, could just be nicer areas though.
2. Driving is much more enjoyable, the old vehicles rocked back and forth and had no feeling to them. These feel much sturdier.
3. Glitches, there are quite a few spots where you can get stuck physically and would have to try all sorts of jump.crouch combos to get out of.
4. Guns, they are not nearly as fun for me as the last game. At least not yet. It is a bit harder to compare two guns and I seem to not have found any worth bragging about.
5. WAAYYYYY less loot chests. Plenty of ammo and locker. But as far as actual loot chest. It is very limited.
6. I am using Zero and I think there must be a better way to play him. I am using a pistol/melee combo and I already have melee x500 in my skill set.
His invisible feature seems ungodly weak compared to the other chars. Unless I am using it wrong.
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:15 am

JohnC wrote:...I already dislike the in-game GUI for inventory and skills and such, looks like they simply changed it for the sake of "looking different", and it feels more confusing now...


That sucks. I thought that was something they were specifically trying to approve? Was not a PC specific menu system a thing they were bragging about?
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:43 am

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JohnC wrote:...I already dislike the in-game GUI for inventory and skills and such, looks like they simply changed it for the sake of "looking different", and it feels more confusing now...


That sucks. I thought that was something they were specifically trying to approve? Was not a PC specific menu system a thing they were bragging about?



Honestly I agree. The old inventory screen was much easier for weapons organizing and such. Equiping weapons now is annoying.
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:54 am

SpartanCaptain wrote:6. I am using Zero and I think there must be a better way to play him. I am using a pistol/melee combo and I already have melee x500 in my skill set.
His invisible feature seems ungodly weak compared to the other chars. Unless I am using it wrong.

I'm guessing it's either part of things being more difficult this time around, or the play style you're trying won't be on par until later in the tree. Although I'm only at level 4 so far, so I don't know for sure. Maybe focus more on sniping to soften people up before they get into melee range?

And for the record, I did playthroughs as Mordecai and [The Soldier] in the first. Mordecai's special ability also seemed way weak wrt the turret.
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:35 am

JohnC wrote:Hmm... The "Premiere Club" DLC content doesn't appear to be working yet... Says "purchased", but "not downloaded" :-?


Don't they need to make it all, first? I wasn't under the impression that it was ready to go on day 1, just that you can pre-buy it for the releases coming out over the next year.
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:39 am

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JohnC wrote:Hmm... The "Premiere Club" DLC content doesn't appear to be working yet... Says "purchased", but "not downloaded" :-?


Don't they need to make it all, first? I wasn't under the impression that it was ready to go on day 1, just that you can pre-buy it for the releases coming out over the next year.


There are other parts of DLC which should be working right now, like the relic and gold "starting" guns and such. Anyway, it appears they have finally fixed that and the DLC is currently showing as "installed".
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:41 am

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drfish wrote:
JohnC wrote:...I already dislike the in-game GUI for inventory and skills and such, looks like they simply changed it for the sake of "looking different", and it feels more confusing now...


That sucks. I thought that was something they were specifically trying to approve? Was not a PC specific menu system a thing they were bragging about?



Honestly I agree. The old inventory screen was much easier for weapons organizing and such. Equiping weapons now is annoying.


Yea, I hate to use this overused description but it kinda feels more "consolized" now, at least from visual point of view...
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:01 pm

Fired it up today, it's looking pretty much as described, same formula but more, better, bigger, badasser!

I got the preorder 4 pack, still have 2 licenses available if anyone's interested...
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:35 pm

I'll have to play with the menus, but I do feel like they are a bit better. They seem much more responsive to mouse clicks than the first, even though you still need some keys to properly equip/compare gear.

Although I wish the damn things would hold still. Moving menus is a cool effect, but they're harder to click if they keep moving around in various ways.
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:00 pm

Seems like they did much less bug testing than with the first game... Some quest objects which some mobs drop are dropping through walls or the ground or other inaccessible objects, and there's no "noclip" or similar console command which I can use to be able to pick them up. :(
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:22 am

superjawes wrote:I'll have to play with the menus, but I do feel like they are a bit better. They seem much more responsive to mouse clicks than the first, even though you still need some keys to properly equip/compare gear.

Although I wish the damn things would hold still. Moving menus is a cool effect, but they're harder to click if they keep moving around in various ways.


I find disabling mouse smoothing makes the menus (and everything) feel a bit better too. There's instructions for how to do it here: http://www.fps-source.com/index.php?topic=22992.0

I'm loving the game so far, playing as Zer0. I think leor pretty much summed it up "same formula but more, better, bigger, badasser". It has that weird somewhat crazy humor that the first one had too, which is good to see. It runs really smooth on my GTX460/2500K too. I have everything maxed other than PhysX, and I never drop below 65-70FPS.

The only complaint I have is they haven't really resolved the co-op issues for trying to play with people who are a different level than you. It's either really hard for the lower level players or really easy for the higher level players. I'm not sure what they could even do to resolve that though.
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:55 am

travbrad wrote:I find disabling mouse smoothing makes the menus (and everything) feel a bit better too. There's instructions for how to do it here: http://www.fps-source.com/index.php?topic=22992.0
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The only complaint I have is they haven't really resolved the co-op issues for trying to play with people who are a different level than you. It's either really hard for the lower level players or really easy for the higher level players. I'm not sure what they could even do to resolve that though.

I'll have to check mouse smoothing...I thought mine defaulted off because I remember seeing it.

As for coop issues...there are ways. You could easily math out the average levels of everyone and normalize them to an average. Set mobs based on the average stats and boom. Done. I know WoW has normalized gear on people to test dungeon balance (maybe raids, too?), and they're implementing it to throttle player power in the coming challenge modes. So there are ways.
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:00 am

JohnC wrote:Seems like they did much less bug testing than with the first game... Some quest objects which some mobs drop are dropping through walls or the ground or other inaccessible objects, and there's no "noclip" or similar console command which I can use to be able to pick them up. :(

First game was a buggy mess at release too.
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:34 pm

SpartanCaptain wrote:Honestly I agree. The old inventory screen was much easier for weapons organizing and such. Equiping weapons now is annoying.

Agreed. These menus make looking at guns a chore...in a game that has you spending a lot of time in the inventory already because of the guns.

I absolutely hate the menus in-game.
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:03 pm

superjawes wrote:I'll have to play with the menus, but I do feel like they are a bit better. They seem much more responsive to mouse clicks than the first, even though you still need some keys to properly equip/compare gear.

Although I wish the damn things would hold still. Moving menus is a cool effect, but they're harder to click if they keep moving around in various ways.


there's a setting to disable the menu animations - it's very helpful!
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:15 am

The best thing about Borderlands 2? It made my 670 SLI $80 cheaper.
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Re: Borderlands 2

Postposted on Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:40 am

Finally got another chance to fire it up and Premier Club was installed. Gave me a sniper rifle to use and my life was immediately easier. Immediately replaced it at level 5, but what are you going to do?

I just found Zer0 to be too squishy for melee range, and still do when a back of bullymogs leaps onto me, but at least I can soften a lot of enemies up before they get that close, and my melee attacks can still do some decent damage (as do shotguns if I need to lay out some close quarters pain).
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