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drfish wrote:That just confuses me further, there are plenty of games that require Steam to run... ...and Minecraft has already been released on 3 different "closed" app stores (iOS, Android, 360)...
drfish wrote:Because Win8 will force Valve to expend money and effort into making games to be profitable instead of resting on their laurels with Steam and collecting cash by default. That's why.So why are Notch and Valve so upset?
Vrock wrote:drfish wrote:Because Win8 will force Valve to expend money and effort into making games to be profitable instead of resting on their laurels with Steam and collecting cash by default. That's why.So why are Notch and Valve so upset?
Seriously, I don't know if anyone's realized this, but Valve's been making the same old game on the same tired engine for like eight years now.
Airmantharp wrote:If Valve wanted to make a game that needed a new engine, they're in a better position to do it now than ever before;
Airmantharp wrote:Thanks for the heads up- I don't follow Valve so closely these days!
I also haven't owned a console in eight years; I have no idea what it's like to use an Xbox, though I've been tempted to get one of them as a front-end. But from my brief experience with Windows 8 and the Modern UI, I'm with you on the tiles- if MS decides to start taking them over I'm not going to be happy, and conversely, I'm quite happy that Valve is pushing into the Linux space. Gaming is literally the only thing that keeps me using Windows extensively, and being able to move that to Linux (or something else, the new iMac's are looking good!) is becoming appealing.
Savyg wrote:I recommend you not bother. They're too old to be relevant anymore. I traded my X360 off recently.
DeadOfKnight wrote:I fail to see why people want a new OS so badly. Win 7 works perfectly fine for all my needs. Sure it doesn't boot in 5 seconds, but I almost never shut it down. Hibernation FTW!
DeadOfKnight wrote:I fail to see why people want a new OS so badly. Win 7 works perfectly fine for all my needs.
Corrado wrote:They don't like it because it puts a default MS owned and curated store front and center in the OS that requires a percentage of the sale price to go to MS to be IN said store. Valve wants to be the ones collecting the distribution money, not MS. Its fairly simple to see.
onlysublime wrote:You have to understand that Gabe Newell, Valve's CEO, has a vested interest against Windows 8. The Windows store directly competes with Steam. If publisher's decide to release their software via the Windows store and not through Steam, that's a loss of the 30% cut that Steam gets.
But for the end user, does it really matter who gets the 30% cut? Valve, Microsoft, Apple, Google are all fighting for that 30% cut. They don't care about us. All we should care about is whether or not we want to buy so-and-so app, in so-and-so marketplace. Let the rich people fight over who gets 30%. They don't actually care about us. They're in it to make a living and make a profit so that their employees have a job and get rich.
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arclight wrote:Now that you explained i would like to ask another question: why would Microsoft create such a condition for competing platforms like Steam when they have already lost the anti-trust case in Europe regarding Internet Explorer
arclight wrote:Even if they make their own platform for digital distribution they shouldn't charge their competitors just to be present on the OS and take by the sale fees.
arclight wrote:If they intend or are already doing this, i expect another lawsuit coming. But i'm no expert and i might be wrong. Thoughts on this?
Glorious wrote:arclight wrote:Now that you explained i would like to ask another question: why would Microsoft create such a condition for competing platforms like Steam when they have already lost the anti-trust case in Europe regarding Internet Explorer
Gee, maybe because everyone else already has?
Microsoft can't do it but Apple and Google can?
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arclight wrote:I don't own a Mac but you're saying Apple gets a cut from every game sale on Steam for OS X users? That's news to me.
arclight wrote:As for Google, what x86 OS do they have that runs Steam?
Glorious wrote:arclight wrote:I don't own a Mac but you're saying Apple gets a cut from every game sale on Steam for OS X users? That's news to me.
It's news to everyone. What the heck are you talking about? Do you even understand the issue?
I'm saying that Apple already has an app store on OS X. It isn't exactly new either.
So, if Apple is allowed to do it, why can't Microsoft? If it's an issue about the "monopoly power" that Microsoft has in the desktop/notebook space that Apple doesn't, well then, gee. What about the mobile space? Because on iOS Apple not only has an App Store but actually forces you to use it, and Google has an App store as well.arclight wrote:As for Google, what x86 OS do they have that runs Steam?
Again, do you understand the issue?
Savyg wrote:Why would MS want to shut down competition? They'd just be driving everyone away from Windows, and they know it.
Arclight wrote:Even if they make their own platform for digital distribution they shouldn't charge their competitors just to be present on the OS and take by the sale fees. If they intend or are already doing this, i expect another lawsuit coming. But i'm no expert and i might be wrong. Thoughts on this?
Arclight wrote:I presume that Gabe is upset about the certification process/fees that all games must undergo in order to be fully compatible with the new Windows 8 UI.
arclight wrote:Microsoft made an app store and they offer the possibility to any developer to sell Windows certified software on the app store for a certain fee (on top of the certification fee for Metro). Regarding games, Microsoft's app store will obviously rival Steam.
arclight wrote:Here is the part that i may have misunderstood:
I presume that Gabe is upset about the certification process/fees that all games must undergo in order to be fully compatible with the new Windows 8 UI.
arclight wrote:For now this might be trivial since the fee is small and the requirments for certification aren't that complicated so compliance should be fairly easy to achieve (but not for indie game developers or for modders especially), but Gabe knows that Microsoft's real intention is to shut down competition.
arclight wrote:So with the next installment Microsoft will probably make the App store, like Apple's, the only place to sell and if Steam has to be integrated in there they will also have to share revenue. So, if i'm wrong, please explain it to me so that i may understand.
Arclight wrote:Savyg wrote:Why would MS want to shut down competition? They'd just be driving everyone away from Windows, and they know it.
For profit ofc and they would most def. not drive every developer away, just a few select ones that made their own online store like Valve with Steam and EA with Origin....for the rest, it's business as usual...who knows maybe they might even pay lower fees at first compared to Steam.
Savyg wrote:Arclight wrote:Savyg wrote:Why would MS want to shut down competition? They'd just be driving everyone away from Windows, and they know it.
For profit ofc and they would most def. not drive every developer away, just a few select ones that made their own online store like Valve with Steam and EA with Origin....for the rest, it's business as usual...who knows maybe they might even pay lower fees at first compared to Steam.
Yes, because driving away your most profitable supporters is a great way to make everyone happy.
That...does not compute.