Personal computing discussed
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absurdity wrote:why were we limiting the start menu to a tiny corner of the screen all this time?
l33t-g4m3r wrote:I'm not overlooking it as that is a real improvement, but it's not a valid upgrade reason either when you can do the same with w7, and navigating that huge start screen does take more work.
ChronoReverse wrote:Win98 style Classic Start was terrible and still is. Even though Vista/7's Start Menu didn't make great use of screen space, it was still a huge improvement.
Captain Ned wrote:Ditch the R&P. Now. It's one thing to say yea/nay, but it's a far different thing to ascribe conspiracy theories.
l33t-g4m3r wrote:Kindly define R&P, because this is neither, and if you REALLY want to go into conspiracy, why are you chilling speech of the unbelievers? Is free thought a problem here?
l33t-g4m3r wrote:ChronoReverse wrote:Win98 style Classic Start was terrible and still is. Even though Vista/7's Start Menu didn't make great use of screen space, it was still a huge improvement.
What was the improvement? Wait, I know: SEARCH. Guess what? Classic shell has search, and I was not referring to Microsoft's classic start. Microsoft could easily have updated their old start menu, but they didn't.
BIF wrote:Start Screen forces me to scroll sideways. This is lunacy! It's not intuitive on a desktop, nor is it convenient.
Ryu Connor wrote:BIF wrote:Start Screen forces me to scroll sideways. This is lunacy! It's not intuitive on a desktop, nor is it convenient.
Personally I've always found it odd that computer UI's settled on up and down action. It's like the designers of the ignored centuries of text based presentations from books.
Left to right (or even right to left depending on your culture) makes a great deal more sense to me.
Ryu Connor wrote:...I'd also note that I don't find the presentation of this forum to somehow be a bastion of good UI design, much less an example I'd use to support my case of a design superiority...
derFunkenstein wrote:Second, Windows Defender's AV seems to be pretty good.
l33t-g4m3r wrote:Because it's the Hegelian dialectic. Microsoft deliberately screwed up the start menu starting with vista, so that down the line they could offer an alternative. Classic start is how it should be. Ironically, nobody would admit this problem with earlier versions until now, and later on it will be the same with Metro vs w9. The hypocrisy is nauseating.
ordskiweicz wrote:Yeah, and we love how easy it is to shut down! (WTF?)
Once you Google to find out how to shut it down, then we have (again) a confirmation screen (back to the Vista future).
Great graphics, too (sort of like Pong was, but with colors).
ordskiweicz wrote:Yeah, and we love how easy it is to shut down! (WTF?)
Once you Google to find out how to shut it down, then we have (again) a confirmation screen (back to the Vista future).
Great graphics, too (sort of like Pong was, but with colors).
Ryu Connor wrote:eBook readers rather faithfully carried the way a book is designed into their UI. Even iOS follows this concept. Your home screen has a fixed vertical size and you scroll left or right as if moving through pages of a book to find your application.
Cannonaire wrote:Privacy issues
The rest of this post is just my opinion:
I do not like what Microsoft is doing with Windows 8, specifically in regards to mixing touch and traditional interfaces. Mouse and keyboard are much more precise than fingers for manipulating objects on a computer screen, and tradeoffs and compromises must be made to combine the two.
Could you imagine trying to use complex software like Adobe After Effects with your fingers? That interface is fantastic for getting work done with a mouse and keyboard; it would require a complete re-imagining to be usable by touch.
Windows 8 still gives you the desktop and traditional input, but it is obvious from the new start screen and the new Windows apps that Microsoft is taking steps in the direction of making things touch accessible. This is not a big issue right at the moment, but Microsoft seems to be betting Windows on touch and their own app store to compete with Apple and Google.
TL;DR PRIVACY ISSUE, also unless you are using a touch screen, I see little reason to get Windows 8. Touch is bad for desktop software.
moriz wrote:... and you can set the metro/modern interface to appear on any screen you want; just click the bottom left corner of the screen you want, and it'll appear there until you set it somewhere else.