clone wrote:you are comparing Star Wars's box office performance against Spider Man?.... really?....you want to reduce that series down to the level of Spider Man?
I am simply providing Box Office numbers, numbers which utterly demolish your ridiculous (and let me quote you) "disappointing at the box office" narrative.
clone wrote:Star Wars The Phantom menace was a comparative failure at the box office, no if's and's or but's about it not because it lost money which is not what happened but because it's Star Wars and it was a franchise that went from 1.5 billion in adjusted dollars down to less than half despite 22 years of hype.....
Again, it was #1 in the Box Office for 1999. There wasn't any other bigger movie that year. If that isn't success, what the heck are all the other movies? Same story for 2005, and the same story for 2002, except for just TWO movies (Two Towers and Spider-man). Are ALL of the movies for THREE ENTIRE years, except for just TWO, failures as well?
Were they as big as A New Hope? No, but a New Hope is #2 of adjusted movies of ALL TIME.
The prequels aren't box office failures because they didn't surpass A New Hope. Dude, BOTH Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi made roughly half of what A New Hope did. Are those "comparative failures?"
And, I might add, the Box Office market is different these days. Domestic used to be always larger than foreign, as it was for all three of the originals. But, that was reversed for the prequels.
clone wrote:the 2nd Star Wars trilogy did little better than Micheal Bay's recent Transformers trilogy and if you believe that is an epic success, an amazing achievement then I agree to disagree.
You're moving the goalposts. You were clearly taking about the Box Office and the market, and now you're evidently talking about quality or some such.
That's lame. Especially since Transformers was #3, Transformers Two was #2 and Transformers Three was #2 for their respective years. And, of course, the foreign revenues for those films were huge. The third transformers made DOUBLE it's domestic revenues in the foreign market, whereas for movies like Return of the Jedi, the foreign revenues were half of the domestic.
So if we are talking BOX OFFICE and the MARKET, yes, the Transformers franchise was a gigantic success.
I personally hate the movies, but that's a very different topic from the one you chose and are still, strangely, trying to defend.
clone wrote:2 things, those movies didn't affect the later generations the same way
I am a "later generation" and they did affect me the "same way". I guess I can't PROVE that, because there isn't any arguing with the "I was a fan before it was cool" mentality, but just because I never saw any of them in theaters doesn't mean I love them any less.
clone wrote:instead Lucas pandered to a crowd that didn't care nearly so much, killed his legacy and while financially successful did little better than Micheal Bay's Transformer trilogy.
...Which was huge and ridiculously successful. Perhaps not very good movies, but they are not box office failures by any stretch of the imagination.