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re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:59 am

Does anybody remember writing - or reading - that Tom's Hardware.com had "sold out" and could no longer be trusted to give impartial reviews?

I know I read that somewhere, I think it was here. It was a few months ago, about the time AMD was releasing its Trinity line (i think). I'm pretty sure it was just a random comment by a TR member and not one of the writers for this site - but I'm not 100% sure.

Anyway - is Tom's reputable? Can I believe their benchmarks and general recommendations?

I don't mind if a site is an advocate - for whatever/whoever. I'd just like to know before I read it that's all. Kind of like CPU Magazine, who never has an unkind word to say about anything...you take it for what it's worth. Fun to read every month but basically the opposite of impartial.
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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:07 am

Tom's is an interesting data point, assuming you can find actual content on their site (most of the links appear to be ads on their home page now).

Lots of folks don't trust them. But their benchmark numbers tend to line up with others', though there are always outliers. Outlyers. Results that don't fall into that pattern, and it's easy (for me at least) to chalk it up to variance on games that have to be tested manually or whatnot.
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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:22 am

I do remember this, but it wasn't a few months ago, it was 8-10 years ago.
When Tom (The German Doctor) sold the site it lost a lot of it's street cred. I stopped visiting it around then and started visiting a small site called The Tech-Report (dashes and all) :P
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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:28 am

Jon wrote:I do remember this, but it wasn't a few months ago, it was 8-10 years ago.
When Tom (The German Doctor) sold the site it lost a lot of it's street cred. I stopped visiting it around then and started visiting a small site called The Tech-Report (dashes and all) :P


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Yeah Tom's lost a lot of good members after he literally sold it. If I remember the first major article after the sell was completely 'phoned in', benchmarks and all. I dont remember the product, intel, amd, nvidia, or Ati.......But Tom's were 'for' it and and all other reviews and sites were 'against' it.
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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:36 am

derFunkenstein wrote:Tom's is an interesting data point, assuming you can find actual content on their site (most of the links appear to be ads on their home page now).

Lots of folks don't trust them. But their benchmark numbers tend to line up with others', though there are always outliers. Outlyers. Results that don't fall into that pattern, and it's easy (for me at least) to chalk it up to variance on games that have to be tested manually or whatnot.


Well said. I don't distrust Tom's, but I only go there when I can't find data at TR or Anand or even some other places.
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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:06 am

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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:55 am

I believe at the time it was related to Intel and AMD. This was when the Athlons were destroying the P4s and somehow Tom's not only gave the P4's glowing reviews but also had a lot of Intel-specific advertising.

And if it were not that, it was an ATI/nvidia thing of the same general concept. That's where the selling out/lack of trust stemmed from. It's long enough ago that it'll be hard to datamine google to see the original complaints.
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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:58 am

Yeah they were sold to a big media conglomerate called "BestOfMedia". They still have somewhat OK system-guides and occasional reviews, but they're definitely way below TR in my list of reliable tech review sites. ;)
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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:14 pm

Scrotos wrote:I believe at the time it was related to Intel and AMD. This was when the Athlons were destroying the P4s and somehow Tom's not only gave the P4's glowing reviews but also had a lot of Intel-specific advertising.


This is the general plot I remember as well.
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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:56 pm

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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:13 pm

I specifically stopped reading THG, following THG links, or giving info from THG full weight when he published that EPIC and INFAMOUS video, showing the Athlon bursting into thick black plumes of smoke, the P3 locking up, and the P4 sailing along without a care when the heatsink was removed.

While it's somewhat true that Athlons of that era would get very hot and die if you ran with no HSF, it's untrue that all but a rare few motherboards allowed that. The motherboards that allowed firey death were rarer.

It's also untrue that P3s simply locked and shut down. They would get hot enough to damage themselves, just not as dramatically as the Athlons.

The part where the video fully departs reality and enters psycho BS land is the P4 demo. P4s absolutely did and do lock up and hard power off when you remove the HSF. Tom's video cut together at least three different instances (HSF off, throttling/running no HSF briefly/replacing HSF and resuming full speed), but any attempts to replicate that video resulted in blue screens and hardware damage. The P4's thermal management was much better than the competition, that much is very true, but unless THG made the video in a room that was around -40 degrees, the things he showed that P4 doing simply do not happen.

After he sold, the "artistic license" ramped up more and more, so I simply don't ever click those links anymore. The current THG is a bought-and-paid-for publication, and I wouldn't expect anything out of them that works against the main paying advertsiers. It's similar to HardOCP in that way, though the [H] is carried by a huge community, and still tries to be somewhat impartial.
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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:21 pm

I never read them much as it was, but I stopped completely when they ran the giant **** YEAH MCGRIDDLES ALL OVER THIS BITCH WOOOOO YEAH EAT THIS STUFF YELLOW/RED/WHITE COLOR SCHEME !!!!!

Just googled for it and the first hit is a thread on TR from 2008 where I made a very similar comment :lol:
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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:24 pm

Oh, for those youngins who do not know what 2001 sounded like....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxNUK3U73SI
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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:25 pm

Scrotos wrote:I believe at the time it was related to Intel and AMD. This was when the Athlons were destroying the P4s and somehow Tom's not only gave the P4's glowing reviews but also had a lot of Intel-specific advertising.

And if it were not that, it was an ATI/nvidia thing of the same general concept. That's where the selling out/lack of trust stemmed from. It's long enough ago that it'll be hard to datamine google to see the original complaints.


This is what I basically remember when I was reading Tom's 10+ years ago. It wasn't that their benchmarks were out of whack, it was just the written conclusions that they drew from their data didn't seem to line up and smelled of influence. Then the ads started, and that is what really drove me away. Found Anand and TR, and haven't looked back. The only time I would go back was for their SmallNetbuilder reviews, and that's only because I haven't found anyone else that does decent SOHO router reviews.
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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:02 pm

Bah, bring back Ace's Hardware, I says. I guess some people are still keeping the flame alive:

http://aceshardware.freeforums.org/ [looks like the forums were abandoned to spambots long ago]

I loved reading the CPU articles and when they yapped about optimizing JAVA on their Suns. Johan moved to Anand, I think, but who knows where Brian went.
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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:19 pm

I was a SharkyExtreme reader until Alex (Sharky) sold the site and went to tune millionaire's Porsches.

THG was the site that stepped up to fill the void, and they went to hell when they sold out to BestOfMedia. I can't remember whether the rigged/bribed articles were before/after this sell out, but I relegated THG to comparison chart duty (which is now completely replaced with Anand's 'Bench' section).

When THG sold out I switched to Anand and haven't looked back, for that sort of content.

I don't know how long I've been reading TR. I must have lurked for a few years before joining the forums, but I think when I retired from silly overclocking and moved to system-building, TR became my daily read instead of VR-Zone. Over the last decade, TR has improved with age, whilst Anand has shifted his focus away from what I enjoy reading. Nobody has yet come up with a response to TR's inside-the-second analysis and the community here is probably the best public tech-community I've found on the web. (The Meadows/Neely/SSK love-triangle never ceases to amuse me!)
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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:31 pm

Chrispy_ wrote: Nobody has yet come up with a response to TR's inside-the-second analysis and the community here is probably the best public tech-community I've found on the web. (The Meadows/Neely/SSK love-triangle never ceases to amuse me!)


Gotta agree. Been lurking for a couple years as well and finally joined the forums this year. Been very helpful with all the questions I've had. Now when people come to me with their PC problems I direct them straight to the TR forums.
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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:44 pm

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Chrispy_ wrote: Nobody has yet come up with a response to TR's inside-the-second analysis and the community here is probably the best public tech-community I've found on the web. (The Meadows/Neely/SSK love-triangle never ceases to amuse me!)


Gotta agree. Been lurking for a couple years as well and finally joined the forums this year. Been very helpful with all the questions I've had. Now when people come to me with their PC problems I direct them straight to the TR forums.


Any time my friends want to build or have tech questions I point them here but they just won't sign up or come back in the future and I have no idea why. It's like they are actively avoiding education. :roll:
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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:41 pm

Wow, I've been here a long time.

Ever since THG sold out I went to reading other hardware mags and sites like PCXL, maxPC and dailyradar. All of them closed or sold out after the dot com burst and I guess only TR is left.
Never really got into Anand since there are very few articles that interest me.

Edit: It was boot that I originally enjoyed reading which is now called MaximumPC, another sellout.
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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:16 pm

Their benchmark results usually line up fairly well with other sites, but in my opinion their writing isn't the greatest and their site layout/design is very ugly. It's always good to get a variety of reviews/viewpoints from different sites though, especially if it's something you are considering buying.

IMO there are a lot of sites better than TomsHardware. TR, Hardwarecanucks, Pcper, and Anandtech, just to name a few. Anandtech focuses too much on phones/tablets for my tastes, but they have some really smart/knowledgeable writers. They've written some really good SSD articles.
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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:32 pm

I kicked Tom's to the curb about a decade ago like most, and stick to TR/Anand and some [H]. The [H] forums can even be useful, but they generally reek of people suffering from the too much money/too much time syndromes, where the forum here at TR seems to be both more professional and more sensible.
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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:39 am

Anybody remember this? http://www.vanshardware.com/indexOld.html

The old senior editor of THG, Van Smith, set it up some falling out with the Pabst himself (http://forums.anandtech.com/archive/index.php/t-761136.html). Man, those were the times, eh? :)
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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:31 am

canoli wrote:Does anybody remember writing - or reading - that Tom's Hardware.com had "sold out" and could no longer be trusted to give impartial reviews?

I know I read that somewhere, I think it was here. It was a few months ago, about the time AMD was releasing its Trinity line (i think). I'm pretty sure it was just a random comment by a TR member and not one of the writers for this site - but I'm not 100% sure.

LOL, Tom's "sold out" almost fifteen years ago. It's been a shill for its favorite brands since before 2000.
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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:32 am

Jon wrote:I do remember this, but it wasn't a few months ago, it was 8-10 years ago.
When Tom (The German Doctor) sold the site it lost a lot of it's street cred. I stopped visiting it around then and started visiting a small site called The Tech-Report (dashes and all) :P

Tom himself was no better. I remember when he was a rabid 3Dfx Voodoo fan. That is, until nVidia came out with the TNT/TNT2. All of a sudden nVidia could do no wrong and 3Dfx could do no right. It was sickening to see how blatant it was. It's just one example of many.
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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:54 am

I only trust 2 sites TTR ,andand, xbit is ok along with the British site OCC. I read many others. But if numbers do not line up correctly or look skewed. That's when I wait for TR review instead of trusting a site that just rushes a review out just to be 1st.
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If i recall correctly way back when toms was where i 1st found the modified drivers for my ATI and NV cards but i cannot remember what the name of the modified driver's were .....too many cobwebs in brain. But i remember they worked great.
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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:19 pm

vargis14 wrote:Edit:
If i recall correctly way back when toms was where i 1st found the modified drivers for my ATI and NV cards but i cannot remember what the name of the modified driver's were .....too many cobwebs in brain. But i remember they worked great.


I'd guess Omega Drivers.
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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:52 am

Buub wrote:I remember when he was a rabid 3Dfx Voodoo fan. That is, until nVidia came out with the TNT/TNT2. All of a sudden nVidia could do no wrong and 3Dfx could do no right. It was sickening to see how blatant it was. It's just one example of many.


FWIW, many of us were like that because these two cards were the first available for enthusiasts. Oh those were the days, Vrock had a Riva 128 that was passed around quite a few times. :P
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Re: re: Tom'sHardware.com - sold out?

Postposted on Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:57 am

I migrated in from Tweak3D, which had a similar experience. They're basically the guys responsible for my commitment of using the pc as a DIY gaming platform, and TR threw off a similar vibe making the migration quick and easy. The 3dfx buyout kept me on ATI for a long time, using omegadrivers/other for tweaks, then ati went downhill and Prime1 convinced me that Fermi was a worthy purchase. The end. I'll probably switch back to AMD for my Christmas present.
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