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Weirdest Hardware Incompatibility Ever - G110 Keyboard

Postposted on Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:37 am

LOL.

Purchased G110 Logitech keyboard today... plugged it in. Worked like a charm. Reboot my PC... Hangs to BLACK SCREEN OF FAIL after normal boot 'beep'.

Find out that this keyboard is incompatible with my motherboard unless I force the USB ports to run slower on my ASUS P5K-E Wifi/AP-solo.

Yah. Great stuff Logitech. Nice one.

Anyone else got weirder hardware incompatibility stories?
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Re: Weirdest Hardware Incompatibility Ever - G110 Keyboard

Postposted on Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:58 am

Before Vista, 7, etc... there were a lot more. I don't run into many compatibility issues with modern OS's though.

Ditch that Logitech monstrosity with its 25 experience "enhancing" keys and buy a real keyboard. ###not trying to derail thread - just a suggestion###
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Re: Weirdest Hardware Incompatibility Ever - G110 Keyboard

Postposted on Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:11 pm

I had been using a Windows OEM Comfort Curve 2000 keyboard black for the last 6 years... but felt like something less dusty and covered in coffee. The only semi-clicky keyboard that wasn't wireless was either the G110 or a Comfort Curve 3000 and I didn't like the comfort curve 3000 as it was too curvy compared to the 2000. Asides from the lame marketing on the G110 box, the keyboard is pretty nice to type on.
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Re: Weirdest Hardware Incompatibility Ever - G110 Keyboard

Postposted on Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:15 pm

Ditch it and get yourself a good mechanical keyboard....I love my razor black widow ultamite :)
Once you go mechanical and feel the feedback the keys give you you will never go back.

So fair have not found a wireless mechanical keyboard......for my HTPCs I am using Logitech k400s with a laptop trackpad on them where a num pad would go. But I also use a mouse most of the time with my HTPCs....if gaming a wired old g5 surfing and light gaming a wireless mouse is used.
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Re: Weirdest Hardware Incompatibility Ever - G110 Keyboard

Postposted on Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:29 pm

The blackwidow looks identical to the G110... :/

Anyway I got it working by changing a bios setting.
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Re: Weirdest Hardware Incompatibility Ever - G110 Keyboard

Postposted on Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:59 pm

DancinJack wrote:Ditch that Logitech monstrosity with its 25 experience "enhancing" keys and buy a real keyboard. ###not trying to derail thread - just a suggestion###

Well, there's something to be said for KISS. :wink: The more bells and whistles a device has, the more things there are to go wrong.

Still, this seems like an epic fail on Logitech's or Asus's part... maybe even both. Who's violating the USB keyboard protocol here?

Are you running the latest BIOS? Maybe a BIOS update would fix this.

Edit: N/M, didn't see your followup post. Glad to hear you got it working. Which BIOS setting was it?
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Re: Weirdest Hardware Incompatibility Ever - G110 Keyboard

Postposted on Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:02 pm

Changed a USB speed setting from "HiSpeed" to "FullSpeed" (where full speed is either lower wattage, or at least lower bandwidth)...
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Re: Weirdest Hardware Incompatibility Ever - G110 Keyboard

Postposted on Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:04 pm

yogibbear wrote:Changed a USB speed setting from "HiSpeed" to "FullSpeed" (where full speed is either lower wattage, or at least lower bandwidth)...

FYI unless it lets you do this on a port-by-port basis, this is going to slow all of your USB devices down to USB 1.1 speeds. Yes, you read that right: USB 1.1. 1990s here we come...
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Re: Weirdest Hardware Incompatibility Ever - G110 Keyboard

Postposted on Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:08 pm

I want a Logitech G110. I really don't understand the hype for mechanical keyboards. Like, I really, really don't.
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Re: Weirdest Hardware Incompatibility Ever - G110 Keyboard

Postposted on Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:12 pm

yogibbear wrote:unless I force the USB ports to run slower



Yeah, I know. It is pissing me off.

Seriously f*** this... buy an $50 keyboard... and now need to do a $1k upgrade on my PC.... Might as well if I'm going to change out the mobo...
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Re: Weirdest Hardware Incompatibility Ever - G110 Keyboard

Postposted on Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:20 pm

A_Pickle wrote:I want a Logitech G110. I really don't understand the hype for mechanical keyboards. Like, I really, really don't.

I suspect that quite a few of the die-hard mechanical fans learned how to type on them when they were younger. To me, nothing else has ever felt quite right. The younger converts are people who really like the tactile feedback and don't mind the noise. It's a personal thing.

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yogibbear wrote:unless I force the USB ports to run slower

Yeah, I know. It is pissing me off.

Duh. I should've re-read the OP before posting. :oops:

I suppose if there isn't a BIOS update to fix this, you could shove a USB add-in card into an unused PCI or PCIe slot to get high-speed USB capability back.

Or sell the G110 to A_Pickle, and get something else that plays nice with your motherboard... :wink:
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Re: Weirdest Hardware Incompatibility Ever - G110 Keyboard

Postposted on Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:35 pm

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A_Pickle wrote:I want a Logitech G110. I really don't understand the hype for mechanical keyboards. Like, I really, really don't.

I suspect that quite a few of the die-hard mechanical fans learned how to type on them when they were younger. To me, nothing else has ever felt quite right. The younger converts are people who really like the tactile feedback and don't mind the noise. It's a personal thing.


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Re: Weirdest Hardware Incompatibility Ever - G110 Keyboard

Postposted on Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:12 pm

I have been using a G110 on win7 for quite a while, and the only problem I've had is it been a little finicky about the keyboard or mouse being in the same USB slot they were in before.

Win7 driver issue I geuss, but happens rarely and I just move the plug and it starts working.
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Re: Weirdest Hardware Incompatibility Ever - G110 Keyboard

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PopcornMachine wrote:I have been using a G110 on win7 for quite a while, and the only problem I've had is it been a little finicky about the keyboard or mouse being in the same USB slot they were in before.

This seems to be a generic Windows issue. Why does it matter what USB port a device is plugged into? I have no idea why the OS cares, but it is what it is.
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Re: Weirdest Hardware Incompatibility Ever - G110 Keyboard

Postposted on Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:35 pm

While this is not going to be helpful for getting into the BIOS, what if you get a USB 2.0 card separate? Does it work that way in the OS?
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Re: Weirdest Hardware Incompatibility Ever - G110 Keyboard

Postposted on Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:40 pm

derFunkenstein wrote:While this is not going to be helpful for getting into the BIOS, what if you get a USB 2.0 card separate? Does it work that way in the OS?

I already suggested that... but given that I'm also guilty of not carefully reading the whole thread, I guess I shouldn't criticize. :wink:
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Re: Weirdest Hardware Incompatibility Ever - G110 Keyboard

Postposted on Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:32 pm

just brew it! wrote:
derFunkenstein wrote:While this is not going to be helpful for getting into the BIOS, what if you get a USB 2.0 card separate? Does it work that way in the OS?

I already suggested that... but given that I'm also guilty of not carefully reading the whole thread, I guess I shouldn't criticize. :wink:

D'oh! My bad.

edit: has anyone suggested getting a USB 2.0 card and trying that? :lol:
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Re: Weirdest Hardware Incompatibility Ever - G110 Keyboard

Postposted on Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:37 pm

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PopcornMachine wrote:I have been using a G110 on win7 for quite a while, and the only problem I've had is it been a little finicky about the keyboard or mouse being in the same USB slot they were in before.

This seems to be a generic Windows issue. Why does it matter what USB port a device is plugged into? I have no idea why the OS cares, but it is what it is.
Historically Windows has remembered hardware from one boot to the next whilst Linux has done hardware rediscovery from scratch on each boot. I can't think why Windows would insist on the path matching exactly but I don't work in Redmond...
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Re: Weirdest Hardware Incompatibility Ever - G110 Keyboard

Postposted on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:42 pm

Glad you got the keyboard working.

As for the mechanical keyboard hype " i was a non believer" Until i went into the store a tried one out. It is amazing how much they cut down on mistakes since you can feel the keys click into your finger about a third of the way down and you then know that the letter or keystroke is complete. Where a cheap rubberdome keyboard "like i am using right now" i have to make sure the keys bottom out for the most part to make sure all of my typing comes up the way i want it to. BTW they do make quiet mechanical keyboards, but i like a little bit of noise.
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Enjoy your new keyboard, mine only lights up blue hi low or for some reason pulsating....your looks like a christmas tree:)
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Re: Weirdest Hardware Incompatibility Ever - G110 Keyboard

Postposted on Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:01 pm

notfred wrote:
just brew it! wrote:
PopcornMachine wrote:I have been using a G110 on win7 for quite a while, and the only problem I've had is it been a little finicky about the keyboard or mouse being in the same USB slot they were in before.

This seems to be a generic Windows issue. Why does it matter what USB port a device is plugged into? I have no idea why the OS cares, but it is what it is.
Historically Windows has remembered hardware from one boot to the next whilst Linux has done hardware rediscovery from scratch on each boot. I can't think why Windows would insist on the path matching exactly but I don't work in Redmond...

Presonus's USB audio interfaces are that way, too (at least the Audiobox USB is, and to make matters worse if you unplug it while the system is on or have it unplugged at startup, you have to uninstall and reinstall the driver to get it to work right again - and that's even if you plug it into the same port; that makes its intended use of a mobile device really hard to live with).

Most of the time in my experience, USB devices don't care what port they're in but every so often the driver is...funky, I guess.
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Re: Weirdest Hardware Incompatibility Ever - G110 Keyboard

Postposted on Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:25 pm

I had a weird problem with a Gigabyte P55-UD4P motherboard. I had problems trying to get a new iPod Touch to properly work with it. All kinds of strange problems with the device disappearing, reappearing, or just not being found. I wasn't able to get it to sync. Since the iPod Touch was new, I thought it was the device. After some Google-Fu, I found out that reflashing the BIOS would fix the problem.

Dealing with iTunes in general is an exercise in frustration WITHOUT having to deal with that kind of nonsense.
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Re: Weirdest Hardware Incompatibility Ever - G110 Keyboard

Postposted on Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:26 am

notfred wrote:
just brew it! wrote:This seems to be a generic Windows issue. Why does it matter what USB port a device is plugged into? I have no idea why the OS cares, but it is what it is.
Historically Windows has remembered hardware from one boot to the next whilst Linux has done hardware rediscovery from scratch on each boot. I can't think why Windows would insist on the path matching exactly but I don't work in Redmond...


It speeds up the boot process since Windows doesn't have to check all of the device drivers and hardware. The downside is that hardware detection doesn't run until the OS is fully loaded, and with XP that meant a user was logged in. Vista and 7 are better about this, and they will detect the mouse and keyboard, at least, after a few minutes.
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