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StuG wrote:I am currently in the process of selling my current 7970 with the prospect of getting a more quiet and equally performing card. I understand I could put an aftermarket cooler on it, but do not want to void my Warranty so this is the easiest way (and ends up being just about the same price overall). So, initially I was going to just get another 7970, as I've been with the Red team since my x1950 Pro. However, lately I have been having my doubts about if they will really be able to hold their own in this department anymore. So much of their staff has been let go that I have my concerns moving forward, not only about cards but driver development and game adoption. An example would be how long Windows 8 has taken for the Red team to sort out.
In this regard, do you think the money would be better invested back into a 7970 or should I go Green and get a 680? I really have almost no experience with Nvidia products, and don't know the validity of their drivers being better claim. Thanks!
steelcity_ballin wrote:StuG wrote:I am currently in the process of selling my current 7970 with the prospect of getting a more quiet and equally performing card. I understand I could put an aftermarket cooler on it, but do not want to void my Warranty so this is the easiest way (and ends up being just about the same price overall). So, initially I was going to just get another 7970, as I've been with the Red team since my x1950 Pro. However, lately I have been having my doubts about if they will really be able to hold their own in this department anymore. So much of their staff has been let go that I have my concerns moving forward, not only about cards but driver development and game adoption. An example would be how long Windows 8 has taken for the Red team to sort out.
In this regard, do you think the money would be better invested back into a 7970 or should I go Green and get a 680? I really have almost no experience with Nvidia products, and don't know the validity of their drivers being better claim. Thanks!
I would seriously just buy an aftermarket cooler. How would they know if it's been tampered with? You can always put the original back on, at least that's been the case for me despite never having to RMA anything.
DPete27 wrote:What's the exact 7970 model you've got right now that's too loud?
StuG wrote:DPete27 wrote:What's the exact 7970 model you've got right now that's too loud?
7970 Reference. It's too loud for my tastes at idle, load you aren't gonna be able to do anything really about the noise.
clone wrote:update: just heard that HD 7xxx's have horrid DX 9 support and their is a chance they won't get it..... for me that's inexcusable and I can't recommend any companies product that fails at it.
TheEmrys wrote:clone wrote:update: just heard that HD 7xxx's have horrid DX 9 support and their is a chance they won't get it..... for me that's inexcusable and I can't recommend any companies product that fails at it.
Heard from where? Every console port is DX 9. I'd have to see something in a mainstream website that can quantify that. If I followed every "heard that" out there... well, I'd probably be in a cabin/bunker/compound somewhere.
yogibbear wrote:I'd just stick with the 7970 as it's cheaper and downgrade to windows 7
StuG wrote:yogibbear wrote:I'd just stick with the 7970 as it's cheaper and downgrade to windows 7
Never really planned on using Windows 8, was just giving an example of how their Driver team has fallen behind lately. Thanks for the input though, I am probably leaning in this direction. Only thing that is keeping me from finalizing the decision is weighing an AMD bug in my head where I know Nvidia would fix it. I wish the game dev would just work with AMD to get it fixed though. :/
TheEmrys wrote:StuG wrote:yogibbear wrote:I'd just stick with the 7970 as it's cheaper and downgrade to windows 7
Never really planned on using Windows 8, was just giving an example of how their Driver team has fallen behind lately. Thanks for the input though, I am probably leaning in this direction. Only thing that is keeping me from finalizing the decision is weighing an AMD bug in my head where I know Nvidia would fix it. I wish the game dev would just work with AMD to get it fixed though. :/
That's not really a great example of their driver team falling behind for your purposes. Do you have complaints on the card? It seems like no, since you are cosidering going to another non-reference 7970. Why not just play with fan controls? Set idle to where it is an acceptable temperature and RPM and see how it goes from there? You may also need to take it out to give it a good blow out of air. You may be having a combination of dust and higher reving fan that is giving you grief.
Or, you could be like me... I had my GTX 460 and it just seemed to run hot. So, I figured I'd blow it out. Lo and behold, I hadn't taken off a clear plastic sealing cover over part of it. Removed it, blew it out, and it was amazing how much better it ran.
Chrispy_ wrote:If you are just a gamer, the GTX680 seems like the king of the hill; Sometimes a 7970 is faster, but Nvidia is ahead of the red team with respect to Windows8 readiness, and my hunch (as well as some industry experience) says that Nvidia's historical investment in the TWIMTPB programme means that more developers are still Geforce friendly, hinting at a smoother experience for at least a couple more years.
Whilst I'd normally be recommending the AMD solution over the Nvidia solution for value reasons, the fly in this ointment is the recent 7950 vs 660Ti comparison Scott did, but there were several variables changed, notably the games, drivers, and operating system. My own experience with a 7950 doesn't match up with the TR article, and I'm running practically the same setup, W8 excepted.
If you do any kind of OpenCL stuff, either compiling, encoding or productivity stuff, the AMD cards are the absolute winners - Kepler is so far behind even their own Fermi that it's not even funny. In some situations, a GTX470 can run better than a GTX680. This is the price Nvidia paid by dropping compute in favour of gaming, which is why there's no consumer GK100 this time around. By contrast, AMD's compute abilities took a huge generational leap forward with GCN and at the moment, they're untouchable.
yogibbear wrote:Chrispy_ wrote:If you are just a gamer, the GTX680 seems like the king of the hill; Sometimes a 7970 is faster, but Nvidia is ahead of the red team with respect to Windows8 readiness, and my hunch (as well as some industry experience) says that Nvidia's historical investment in the TWIMTPB programme means that more developers are still Geforce friendly, hinting at a smoother experience for at least a couple more years.
Whilst I'd normally be recommending the AMD solution over the Nvidia solution for value reasons, the fly in this ointment is the recent 7950 vs 660Ti comparison Scott did, but there were several variables changed, notably the games, drivers, and operating system. My own experience with a 7950 doesn't match up with the TR article, and I'm running practically the same setup, W8 excepted.
If you do any kind of OpenCL stuff, either compiling, encoding or productivity stuff, the AMD cards are the absolute winners - Kepler is so far behind even their own Fermi that it's not even funny. In some situations, a GTX470 can run better than a GTX680. This is the price Nvidia paid by dropping compute in favour of gaming, which is why there's no consumer GK100 this time around. By contrast, AMD's compute abilities took a huge generational leap forward with GCN and at the moment, they're untouchable.
OP doesn't have Windows 8... they just used it in their OP to confuse us all.... 7950/7970 both awesome cards and OP should grab either one.
Airmantharp wrote:StuG wrote:DPete27 wrote:What's the exact 7970 model you've got right now that's too loud?
7970 Reference. It's too loud for my tastes at idle, load you aren't gonna be able to do anything really about the noise.
With respect to single card performance and driver inconsistencies on Windows 8, Nvidia has the clear lead- for now. The field is wide open, and AMD's architecture seems to have longer legs this generation.
That said, the reference cooler (blower) on the GTX680's is the best Nvidia's made aside from what they stuck on the GTX690. That said, I use a single GTX670 FTW 2GB (EVGA) on a 1600p monitor; it uses the reference GTX680 PCB and cooler, and is a bargain for performance, price and quality.
Chrispy_ wrote:...If you do any kind of OpenCL stuff, either compiling, encoding or productivity stuff, the AMD cards are the absolute winners...