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AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:11 pm

Hi Gerbils, I just got myself a new build (all new except HDD and Wifi).

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Everything's running great except the stock CPU cooler. It's driving me nuts! It seems to be running so fast at default (around 5000+ RPM). Coretemp and AMD Overdrive both report CPU temps to be 19C, but ambient room temp is around 28C so that seems a little dubious unless it's an airconditioning unit in there. I then set the BIOS CPU temp target to 50C, and the fan seems to have slowed down a bit and consequently, both Coretemp and AOD report CPU temps to be around 35C. Considering it was 19C before, I'm not sure how reliable those higher temps are. Also, considering how fast the fan spins by default, I'm wondering just what the CPU temp target is, by default.
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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:34 pm

Does the BIOS also report suspiciously low temps? Maybe a BIOS update would fix the calibration of the thermal sensor.

If the stock cooler is too loud, get one of the CoolerMaster heatpipe towers. Great bang for the buck, and decently quiet. The Hyper TX3 on the FX-8150 I use at work runs at around 1500 RPM when the CPU is idle; under load it cranks up to around 2200 RPM and is still pretty quiet. It does start to make some noise at full speed (2800 RPM), but only runs at full speed if the CPU is 100% loaded and the room is abnormally warm.
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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:18 am

Hi JBI. Yeah, I read your post about getting an FX a few months back. Just curious, did you ever use the stock HSF and noticed that it was pretty loud as well? Mine is almost deafening under full load. My main concern here is that I got a comparably hotter sample, and the fan is cranking all the way up to cool it. it's quite possible to get a hotter sample, isn't it?

To answer your questions, I'm using the latest BIOS (it came by default with the board), and in the BIOS UEFI it's cranking all the way up to 5000RPM+ and temps reach 66C, which never show up in AOD and Coretemp, although I suspect that's pretty much because the chip is running full throttle in the BIOS, when CnQ is yet to kick in. What's happening with AOD and Coretemp however, is strange in that temps swing back and forth from ~19C to ~26C in ~1 sec intervals. What do you think?
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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:35 am

The temp. sensor is most likely busted (do try a BIOS update though), but regarding the stock cooler it is indeed very noisey and should be replaced with an after market one.

Take a look at the low to mid end heatsinks, there are plenty of good ones out there that will be very quiet under load.
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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:35 am

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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:22 am

ronch wrote:Hi JBI. Yeah, I read your post about getting an FX a few months back. Just curious, did you ever use the stock HSF and noticed that it was pretty loud as well? Mine is almost deafening under full load. My main concern here is that I got a comparably hotter sample, and the fan is cranking all the way up to cool it. it's quite possible to get a hotter sample, isn't it?

To answer your questions, I'm using the latest BIOS (it came by default with the board), and in the BIOS UEFI it's cranking all the way up to 5000RPM+ and temps reach 66C, which never show up in AOD and Coretemp, although I suspect that's pretty much because the chip is running full throttle in the BIOS, when CnQ is yet to kick in. What's happening with AOD and Coretemp however, is strange in that temps swing back and forth from ~19C to ~26C in ~1 sec intervals. What do you think?

Yeah, the stock HSF can be a bit loud, but that's beside the point. 66C idling in the BIOS isn't right; variation between individual CPUs isn't enough to cause that. Either the HSF is incorrectly installed, the temp sensor is messed up, or the mobo is messed up (and is over-volting the CPU). It also sounds like AOD and Coretemp aren't reading the temperature correctly (they should match what the BIOS reports).

Does the HSF get hot to the touch when idling in the BIOS? What core voltage is being reported in the BIOS?
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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:15 am

I'm inclined to think either the board or CPU is messed up. However, I did notice that the PC is running a lot quieter when there's airconditioning, so somehow the temp sensors are working. The HSF is mounted correctly and does get warm. CPU voltage is reported to be 0.875v at idle (1.4GHz) by Coretemp. and is 1.4 - 1.425v at 4.0GHz. I'm also using the latest BIOS for this board.

As for running at 66C in the BIOS, I've noticed other machines crank all the way up in their BIOS utilities. The fan would get loud and temps would go beyond 50C, presumably because the CPU is running full steam ahead.
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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:22 am

Until you can buy a proper cooler, it's understandable if you can't right the way, you could try underclocking and undervolting. I did it myself with great results before i bought my Thermalright cooler.

Although undervolting can cause crashes and system hang-ups if done too agresively, it won't harm your chip in any way compared to overvolting.

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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:00 am

If it helps in the discussion, I'd like to mention that the CPU seems to be cranking up to 4.1GHz instead of 4.0GHz. That's with all cores. I'm not sure if this is normal or not. Perhaps AMD wants this to go up to Intermediate Turbo Core right away instead of the 4.0GHz base clock with all cores boosting.
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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:34 am

ronch wrote:If it helps in the discussion, I'd like to mention that the CPU seems to be cranking up to 4.1GHz instead of 4.0GHz. That's with all cores. I'm not sure if this is normal or not. Perhaps AMD wants this to go up to Intermediate Turbo Core right away instead of the 4.0GHz base clock with all cores boosting.



I searched a little in your motherboard's manual and there is a thing called OC Genie Lite which, if enabled in the BIOS, will automatically OC the CPU. Might wanna check that out.

On AMD's website there isn't much usefull info, not even the max temp and what not....
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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:13 am

@Arclight - Thanks for doing research, man. Yeah I saw OC Genie, but my concern is the deafeningly loud CPU fan and the wildly fluctuating CPU temperature readings, which could be tied to one another.

I notice now that every time I launch Coretemp, temps start to read at ~26C then fall quickly down to ~10C. The room is airconditioned now but I don't think it's THAT cold. I'm banking on faulty thermal sensors but if so, do I return the CPU or the board?
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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:45 am

ronch wrote:@Arclight - Thanks for doing research, man. Yeah I saw OC Genie, but my concern is the deafeningly loud CPU fan and the wildly fluctuating CPU temperature readings, which could be tied to one another.

I notice now that every time I launch Coretemp, temps start to read at ~26C then fall quickly down to ~10C. The room is airconditioned now but I don't think it's THAT cold. I'm banking on faulty thermal sensors but if so, do I return the CPU or the board?


Idk really, best place to ask imo is the retailer's customer service from where you bought the parts but from what i've heard this issue is quite common and dare i say it? it happens for Intel chips also. It would be nice if you could test the chip on a compatible mobo but i guess you would have done so already if you had that possibility.
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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:20 am

ronch wrote: The HSF is mounted correctly and does get warm

Did you remove and reseat the HSF or did you just check the mounting brackets were tight? Everything else you're saying sounds like normal functionality (ie idle clocks and voltages) except the heat issues. I would pull that thing off, clean off the TIM, maybe even recheck the CPU is seated properly, then redo everything.

PS. These temps you're reporting. Are they idle temps or full load temps? It's easy to believe 66C under 100% load on the stock cooler.
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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:31 am

You have the same motherboard as me, and seem to be having some of the issues I first ran into.

Firstly, update that BIOS. Latest release is 19.9 and it only come out about 3-4 weeks back. It fixed my temp sensors calibration and can be downloaded and installed really easily using MSI's Live Update 5 software on your CD.

About the fan speed control, this thing took me some getting used too. The motherboard seems to want to set the fan speed as fast as possible at some stupidly low temps at default settings. Go into the BIOS and set the CPU target temperature to 70C (It's the highest). Then set the lowest CPU Fan Speed to Zero (It won't ever go to zero in real life, dw). That stopped the fans on my Zalman CPUcooler from spinning it's fan at 4000 RPM... It's now between 850 - 1300 rpm.

Side note, fan speed control and all that ONLY appears to work properly if you set the board to standard mode (at least on mine). If you choose Eco it's all disabled, andf if you choose OC Genie II it just does it's own (very stupid stuff IMHO) to pretty much every setting imaginable. It tried to auto-overlock my CPU to 7Ghz and work back from that, so yeah that didn't work...

...Finally, go under Eco on the left bottom in the bios and turn off the CPU power phase switching. It's set to APS by default, but seems to cause irritating undervoltage when the system is idle, and insane over-voltage when under load. Logically, it shouldn't impact delivery voltage (just keep the power cleaner), but I think the BIOS code is a little iffy even now.
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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:44 am

Use CPUID to get accurate temps for your CPU socket/Northbridge, etc. Make sure you've plugged the CPU into the CPU fan header. It's possible you plugged it into another power header on the motherboard, which would explain the extreme fan speeds.

Also, if you're going to replace the stock HSF, I'd recommend jumping straight to a closed loop water cooler, depending on your overclocking aspirations. I've got an Antec Kuhler 620, which seems good up to a 4.6 or 4.7GHz overclock with Vishera. They're selling these lower model closed loop water coolers for cheap these days (I consider <$60 cheap for a water cooler, and if you're in Canada, I've seen the Antec 620 for as little as $35 on special here:

http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=59537 ... omoid=1285

At this point, I'd would skip HSF cooling altogether. The Antec is just as easy to put in to your system as a HSF, and being closed loop, there's nothing for you to do but install it and go. There is also no comparison performance-wise with virtually any HSF. The Antec is also dead silent. If you really want to overclock your FX chip (aiming for 5GHz for normal use) I'd recommend either the Corsair H100 closed loop cooler, or a custom water loop. Just beware that the H100 has a monster radiator and will require a case that can accomodate it.

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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:54 am

@rcsk24 - Yikes. Are MSI's fan and voltage controls typically that whacked these days? Makes me quite thankful for the controls on my Asus, which are only moderately squirrely.

@anubis44 - That's all well and good if his intent is to push the OC envelope, and if this had been posted in the OC/Tweak forum I'd agree with you. But if all he really wants is a stable, quiet system at stock or moderate OC, then there are much more cost-effective ways to get there.
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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:08 am

I also recommend a closed loop cooling system. They are so affordable now. It also cleans up the cpu socket area so a side intake case fan can help cool your power circuitry and VRMs ETC. If you get a tower type cooler they do not help in cooling the power circuitry and VRMs since they blow air to the or upwards not down onto the board.

I always rec a side intake fan/fans on all my friends rigs to help cool the whole gpu and motherboard power circuitry and VRMs and chipset.
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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:17 am

Thanks for all the help, guys. I took out the FX and installed my old X3 720. Now Coretemp's numbers are looking normal. temps range from 18C to 23C, and that looks about right. Plus, it's no longer jumping around like a crazy rabbit or getting too unbelievably low (it was showing as low as 10C when the FX was on and there was A/C). I can't check if the fan's still gonna run at full throttle because the airconditioning's already on and the HSF gets really noisy only when the A/C's off. Unfortunately, the wife's already sleeping and I'm gonna get a taste of her fury if I turn the A/C off. :) (Just kidding!)

I'm inclined to put back the FX and see if the system gets better or not, but I also wanna see how the HSF sounds when the A/C's off. I can only do that tomorrow. I know I put on the HSF properly on the FX the first time, and I'm inclined to think the FX sample I got is a bit bonkers, but I hope I just did it wrong. I'd hate to return the chip back to the store and have it replaced right away. I mean, that kinda wrecks my impression on AMD's QA process.

Also, is it possible that Coretemp and AMD Overdrive are misreading the thermal sensors? The readings don't fluctuate crazily in the BIOS UEFI, but then again, there, it only shoots all the way up to ~66C.

I'll post back ASAP. Again, thanks, guys.
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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:23 am

This really sounds to me like a BIOS problem. Are you ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN you have the very latest BIOS installed?

FWIW I run an 8150 at work and an 8320 at home, and have not encountered anything like the issues you seem to be having.
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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:37 am

Yeah. I'm using BIOS ver. 19.9. That's the latest MSI has posted. I have a hunch it could be a BIOS problem as well, or perhaps AOD and Coretemp aren't reading the thermal sensors from the BIOS correctly.

http://www.msi.com/product/mb/990FXA-GD ... /?div=BIOS

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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:49 am

Know anyone else with a (different) AM3+ board you can try it in?
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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:19 am

@JBI: No.
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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:34 pm

@JBI - The fan controls seem overly aggressive. Set CPU target temp to 65C, and you've got fans at 100% RPM rotation by the time the CPU has hit 50C (which, lets be honest isn't hard for a 'dozer). Set it to 70C, and at the same 50C temps the fans barely break 1K RPM. It needs tuning... :lol:

@Ronch - Probably not much use, but I (still have) issues with my FX CPU in this motherboard. I have still got my Athlon II 640 in it I "stole" from my HTPC in this mobo and all the problems you talk about, as well as all of the problems in this thread (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85104) disappear, completely.

Wouldn't be to wrong to assume at this point there's some underlying BIOS bugs with FX CPU's in the board, but idk. My FX-8120 is on my desk next to me, and I've sourced another Athlon II 640 from eBay to go back in the HTPC. Says it all. As yours is new (the mobo), see if you can return it?
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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:46 pm

I hope this isn't an issue with the CPU. I plan to bring the system to the store where I bought the CPU. I hope they'll replace it or we could sort it out. AMD already told me through email that the behavior of the CPU (reaching 66C in the BIOS) isn't normal. The temp readings jumping all over the place is also very strange, albeit could be caused by the motherboard's BIOS. Still, Thermal sensors and the FX CPU aren't exactly the latest techs to come around that MSI hasn't come to grips with the FX's thermal sensors. Perhaps it's really something with the CPU itself. I'll keep posting.
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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:18 am

I was able to try my CPU on a Gigabyte 970A-DS3. The fan seems to be a lot quieter. Took it out and placed it back on my MSI 990FXA-GD65 and the fan again whined loudly. I guess this really could be a motherboard issue. Tomorrow I might exchange the board for another model. Wish me luck!
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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:19 am

Did you check what kind of CPU temps the BIOS was reporting on the other motherboard?
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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:01 pm

@JBI : Yeah. On the Gigabyte 970A-DS3 it was around 40C. When testing the FX-8350 on the MSI 990FXA-GD65 it climbed up to 71C! Problem with the store where I bought the MSI is that they don't carry many 990FX-based boards. The other board, which is a Gigabyte 990FXA-D3, doesn't appear to support my CPU according to their website. Their Gigabyte 970-based boards don't even support Bulldozer 8-core CPUs. I don't know what's up with Gigabyte's not supporting the top end Vishera/Bulldozer CPUs.
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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:13 pm

@ronch

Came across this thread via google.

I have been experiencing exactly the same problems with the same board, and the same chip. I also am running the same bios release. I just upgraded from a Phenom II 965 @ 4.0 GHz on the same decent stock quad copper heatpipe cooler (made by Coolermaster by the way)
to the Vishera 8350 and am having the same erratic temp. readings. Everything was golden with the phenom II in, on the same bios version. My guess so far is that it's an MSI bios issue with the Vishera chips, and hopefully it will be fixed with a new bios release.
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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:19 pm

Hi, L3illY, thanks for the tip. Yeah, I brought my system to the stores where I bought the CPU and motherboard from (I said stores because they're not from the same store). Testing the CPU didn't really reveal anything conclusive that the CPU is broken, and testing the board with another CPU (my outgoing Phenom II X3 720) wasn't conclusive that it's defective, either. However, I was unexpectedly able to fix the loud fan noise issue. You see, I used the stock HSF/TIM when I first installed the CPU, and I immediately noticed the loud fan (it's like a small jet taking off!). Before the fix, In the BIOS, the CPU would reach as high as 71C with the HSF spinning at ~6000RPM! The other problem is the wild temp fluctuations under AOD and Coretemp.

Up to this point I've only been using the stock TIM as well as some cheap TIM that I've grown to trust over the years. I then, for some reason, decided to use my 4+ year old tube of Cooler Master TIM, which immediately quieted the HSF! I also did some tweaks to the BIOS to help curb the noise (setting the max temp target for the fan, lower CPU voltages, selecting 'ECO'). Setting the BIOS back to default settings will increase fan speed/noise a bit, but nowhere near as loud as when I first turned the thing on. I guess the stock TIM wasn't good enough, and perhaps a little slow in heat conduction so heat built up inside the CPU quickly. Any thoughts?

Another problem I've been having is the wildly fluctuating temps inside AOD and Coretemp (say, 15C – 23C – 17C – 26C – 30C – 20C... etc. in <1 sec. Internvals). The store where I bought the CPU from said this is the first time he's ever heard of this, and the folks where I bought the mobo from are also at a loss for an explanation. They both suggested, however, that since I bought a very new CPU model and the board's BIOS actually came out before Vishera came out, there may be some kinks to iron out. Also, I have a friend who bought an A10-5800K with a Gigabyte FM2 board, and he seems to be experiencing the same temperature reading problems. His BIOS shows high temps and high RPMs as well, and wild temp fluctuations under Speccy (that's what he uses), so I'm guessing the tools we have today aren't reading these new Piledriver-based chips very well... Not even AMD's own Overdrive app does it right, interestingly. However, he said he tried Gigabyte's hardware monitoring tool and it seemed to read the temps correctly, which is around 40C. I've yet to try MSI's own app, though. It's also interesting that there doesn't seem to be much info about this on the Internet. Perhaps there are just too few Piledriver owners, and those who do don't bother with these temp fluctuations or loud fans and instead go straight to water cooling.
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Re: AMD FX-8350 Stock Cooler

Postposted on Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:34 pm

Another issue I'm having on my 990FXA-GD65V2
can't get my Mushkin Redline up to 1866. No matter what kind of voltage, RAM timings....just doesn't want to happen (16gb @1600 now). I'm hoping a bios update makes some serious changes, because as of now I'm thinking this board blows.

As far as the fluctuating temp readings go...don't trust them a bit. The reason I say this is because I've been oc'ing the 8350 to around 4.5 GHz etc. on that same stock cooler with some pretty heavy voltage and i'm seeing temps way too low. I can't remember ever seeing Celsius temps in single digits, especially with added voltage and a multiplier jacked up. I'm basing my settings more off of stability vs those bogus readings.

Also...n00b question...what is "TIM"?

and it's just BillY : D
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