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New Gaming Rig

Postposted on Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:18 pm

Hello!
Need some advice on building a gaming rig. I have $500 I can put down on it...potentially more. Not much experience on building from scratch.Just upgraded hardware in store bought ones.
I need help from top to bottom on this thing. Any input is appreciated. Thanks!
*EDIT*
So I think I'm going to go with:

Processor: Intel Core i5-3470 Ivy Bridge 3.2GHz (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115234)

Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-H77-DS3H (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128550&CMP=OTC-TechReport&ATT=13-128-550&nm_mc=OTC-TechReport&cm_mmc=OTC-TechReport-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA)

Memory: Corsair 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233350&CMP=OTC-TechReport&ATT=20-233-350&nm_mc=OTC-TechReport&cm_mmc=OTC-TechReport-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA)

Graphics: MSI Radeon HD 7770 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127687&CMP=OTC-TechReport&ATT=14-127-687&nm_mc=OTC-TechReport&cm_mmc=OTC-TechReport-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA)

Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB [url](http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... -_-NA-_-NA[/url])
Storage #2: Asus DRW-24B1ST (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204&CMP=OTC-TechReport&ATT=27-135-204&nm_mc=OTC-TechReport&cm_mmc=OTC-TechReport-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA)

Enclosure: APEVIA X-TROOPER Series X-TRP-GN (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811144267)

Power Supply: Antec EarthWatts Green 380W (http://www.amazon.com/Antec-EarthWatts-EA-380D-BRONZE-Supply/dp/B002UOR17Y?ie=UTF8&tag=thetecrep08-20)
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Re: New Gaming Rig

Postposted on Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:17 pm

Well, if you're a beginner then you better have a good look at the following article:
http://techreport.com/review/23624/how- ... port-guide

Regarding the parts selection, you didn't mention exactly what you want to buy with that money. Is it just the case with everything that goes in it or do you need peripherals as well, perhaps even a monitor? Be a bit more specific just to avoid confusion.

If you just want to upgrade the parts within your case, take a look at this article:
http://techreport.com/review/24059/tr-c ... em-guide/2
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Re: New Gaming Rig

Postposted on Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:33 am

I'm going from scratch in a Apevia X Trooper Series X-TRP-GN
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811144267&nm_mc=OTC-Shopping&cm_mmc=OTC-Shopping-_-Cases+%28Computer+Cases+-+ATX+Form%29-_-APEVIA+CORP.-_-11144267)

So I need everything: motherboard, processor, power supply, graphics card, etc etc..

As regarding the monitor...I know I want more than 17' and have it be HDMI.
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Re: New Gaming Rig

Postposted on Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:38 am

Sulith wrote:Hello!
Need some advice on building a gaming rig...
Welcome to the Tech Report!

As Arclight suggested, check out the latest system guide here:
viewtopic.php?f=33&t=47062
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Re: New Gaming Rig

Postposted on Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:34 pm

JustAnEngineer wrote:
Sulith wrote:Hello!
Need some advice on building a gaming rig...
Welcome to the Tech Report!

As Arclight suggested, check out the latest system guide here:
viewtopic.php?f=33&t=47062



Thanks, that helped out a lot!
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Re: New Gaming Rig

Postposted on Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:56 pm

JustAnEngineer wrote:
Sulith wrote:Hello!
Need some advice on building a gaming rig...
Welcome to the Tech Report!

As Arclight suggested, check out the latest system guide here:
viewtopic.php?f=33&t=47062


So I think I'm going to go with:

Processor: Intel Core i5-3470 Ivy Bridge 3.2GHz (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115234)

Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-H77-DS3H (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128550&CMP=OTC-TechReport&ATT=13-128-550&nm_mc=OTC-TechReport&cm_mmc=OTC-TechReport-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA)

Memory: Corsair 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233350&CMP=OTC-TechReport&ATT=20-233-350&nm_mc=OTC-TechReport&cm_mmc=OTC-TechReport-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA)

Graphics: MSI Radeon HD 7770 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127687&CMP=OTC-TechReport&ATT=14-127-687&nm_mc=OTC-TechReport&cm_mmc=OTC-TechReport-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA)

Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185&CMP=OTC-TechReport&ATT=22-152-185&nm_mc=OTC-TechReport&cm_mmc=OTC-TechReport-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA)
Storage #2: Asus DRW-24B1ST (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204&CMP=OTC-TechReport&ATT=27-135-204&nm_mc=OTC-TechReport&cm_mmc=OTC-TechReport-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA)

Enclosure: APEVIA X-TROOPER Series X-TRP-GN (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811144267)

Power Supply: Antec EarthWatts Green 380W (http://www.amazon.com/Antec-EarthWatts-EA-380D-BRONZE-Supply/dp/B002UOR17Y?ie=UTF8&tag=thetecrep08-20)

I made sure the tower and the MOBO are the same...both are ATX. I would check again to be sure.
Let me know what you think as well as anyone else's thoughts.
Thanks!
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Re: New Gaming Rig

Postposted on Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:07 pm

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Re: New Gaming Rig

Postposted on Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:20 pm

Well besides the fact that you exceeded your $500 budget by about $180......(including the case)

PSU - That's a fine choice, but this Corsair CX430 regularly sells for $20 after MIR on newegg.

Case - Why are you interested in that Apevia case? Because you already have it?

Graphics card - Good choice on the 7770, but this model is $15 less.

Storage - Those are fine.

Motherboard - Are you a Gigabyte fan? There are cheaper socket 1155 mobos like this AsRock B75 model for $62 after shipping that could equally suit your needs. Have you considered mATX? They're typically a bit cheaper.

RAM - Watch for newegg sales. 8GB DDR3 1600 @ 1.5V is the right direction, but you can get kits with 9-9-9-24 timings for $40 pretty regularly.

Windows License - Do you already have one? If not, it's a good idea to check with anyone you know that goes to college. College students can oftentimes get legit Windows discs for around $30. I won't include this in my subtotal for now.
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Subtotal = ~$415 (including that $70 case you listed that I hope we can find an alternative for)

CPU - Sorry, but $500 gaming builds don't include $200 CPUs. You're left with $85 for a CPU from my suggestions which lands you with a Pentium G850. If we can whittle that case down to more affordable levels, you could get a Pentium G2120 for $100. Make no mistake, those dual core Pentiums can trounce just about every CPU from AMD's lineup in gaming.
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Re: New Gaming Rig

Postposted on Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:35 am

DPete27 wrote:Well besides the fact that you exceeded your $500 budget by about $180......


Thanks for replying. Well my budget isn't $500 its just what I would like to spend.

PSU: Yes, I could switch to that.

Case: I do not own the case, I just like Apevia products. I like the look of the case really. No special reason other than its ATX. Why?

Graphics Card: Same stats. Any real difference in them? I'll go with the HIS iCooler.

Motherboard: I am a Gigabyte fan. I have considered mATX's eh, I'm good. I think I will still role with the Gigabyte mobo. Unless there is good reason I shouldn't other than saving money.

Windows License: Can go to my Pa and get any from him (free). He is in IT with IBM & AT&T.

CPU: I've looked at the CPU I want the Intel i5....and I really want it so I think I'll stick with it. Unless there is a same or less priced alternative processor that is equal to or better.
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Re: New Gaming Rig

Postposted on Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:28 am

The build is quite good for the money, i just have a few comments, hopefully they are constructive:

@CPU
The i5 3470, while a wonderfull selection for gaming according to this article, it kind of eats a lot of money from your budget. If the main purpose of the rig is strictly gaming, it would be wise to compromise here and invest more on the graphics card. Well unless you intend to upgrade the video card in a year or two or the games you intend to play (or the resolution at which you play them) do not require a beefier video card.

Also regarding the CPU, keep in mind it is a non K series which means it has a locked multiplier. This CPU cannot overclock.

@Motherboard
I haven't read any reviews about it but also keep in mind that it has an H77 NB, which means that even if you install a K series CPU later down the road, it will not allow you to overclock it. If that's acceptable and if various reviews about the mobo do not raise any particular inherent issues with it's design then feel free to buy it.

@RAM
According to Intel the i5 3470 memory controller handles both 1333MHz and 1600 MHz.

Given the lousy timmings of that particular RAM, i'd suggest this instead. I know you chose the RAM from the TR guide, but prices and offers change quickly and it's only a guide, you can tweak it however you like depending on the time you buy the parts and the purpose for which you build the machine.

@Case
Since there are a slew of offerings i won't comment on taste, but i can suggest a few points that you should check to see if the case is right for you:
- form factor compatibility (it's explained in the TR guide video);

- cooling/silence. This two go hand in hand. You want a case that has ample options for ventilation since if you have more fans you can set them to lower RPM (which translates into a more quiet sound during operation) while keeping the case just as cool as using fewer fans but with higher RPM.

The case needs to have, traditionally speaking on normal designs, a fan in front to intake air and cool the HDD and feed air for the video card, a fan in the rear to exhaust hot air from the CPU cooler (if you install a tower cooler that exhausts at the back), additionally 2 top fans (which depending on how you orient your CPU cooler, they could be set to either intake or exhaust air). Please use dust filters as well for the intake fans including for the PSU, most cases come with preconfigured filters, but if the case you choose doesn't have them be sure to buy and install them yourself.

On this point i should also mention the width of the case which determins if you can install or not certain after market coolers for the CPU. The particular case you chose is quite narrow and might restrict your selection of aftermarket tower coolers. My suggestion is to buy a case that has at least 200mm width or even better 210mm if you intend to go for air cooling;

- cable management, you want a case that has holes in the motherboard tray that allows you to route cables behind the tray. Read reviews about the particular case you want to buy to find out if they have enough space behind the tray to allow cables to be routed easily. Many entry level cases have the holes but the space behind can be quite small and restrictive.
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Re: New Gaming Rig

Postposted on Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:15 am

Sulith wrote:CPU: I've looked at the CPU I want the Intel i5....and I really want it so I think I'll stick with it. Unless there is a same or less priced alternative processor that is equal to or better.

The i5's are the optimal choice for both performance and longevity because of their 4 physical cores if you've got the money to spend. I only suggested otherwise to meet your specified budget. I understand slightly exceeding a budget, but this sounds like your budget is more like $700.
I agree with Arclight that you may want to consider stepping down to an i3 and putting the $80 savings toward a much more powerful GPU like the 7850 2GB for $175. If you stick with my Pentium G850, you could even afford a GTX 660 for $215. Ahh the possibilities are endless! (keep in mind that CPU article I linked earlier uses a 7970 for their benchmark tests.)

I suppose this would be a good time to ask if you live near a Microcenter. They have the best prices around on CPU + mobo combos.

Sulith wrote:Case: I do not own the case, I just like Apevia products. I like the look of the case really. No special reason other than its ATX. Why?

Cases are mostly a matter of personal taste. The only reason I commented is for reasons that Arclight covered. Apevia is just not a popular brand of "well designed" cases like Corsair, Silverstone, Fractal Design, or even Cooler Master. If you've done your research and the case fits your needs, that's all you need. That case sure comes with a lot of included fans. Hopefully they're good.
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Re: New Gaming Rig

Postposted on Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:39 pm

DPete27 wrote:The i5's are the optimal choice for both....


Arclight wrote:The build is quite good for the money, i just have a few comments, hopefully they are constructive:


Ok, after all my consideration and bending of the budget. :wink: I do want a build that over clocks. So, here is what I am thinking:

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K (http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i5-2500K-Quad-Core-Processor-Cache/dp/B004EBUXHQ

I chose this after reading the article that Arclight linked.

Motherboard: I am not sure yet. I need an ATX that will overclock.

RAM: GeIL Pristine 8GB (2 x 4GB) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144543)

I'll switch to those.

Case: I love the case. I'm sticking to it. IF need be I can always put in additional cooling devices.

GPU: GeForce GTX 660 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125443)

I love GIGABYTE products. As soon as DPete27 linked it I had to have it. I'm a huge fan of Blue & Green. :D

Power Supply: Antec EarthWatts Green 380W

Sticking with it.

Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB & Asus DRW-24B1ST

Thanks again for your guys input. Let me know what you think! I do still need to pick a motherboard now..gigabyte pref. I'm still hunting!
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Re: New Gaming Rig

Postposted on Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:10 pm

The extra overclocking headroom that the 2500K affords is basically offset by the ~10% boost in IPC that the 3570K has over the 2500K. I would say that it's a wash there. The 3570K does have PCIe 3.0 and native USB3.0 support though. The native USB3.0 is really only helpful for installing windows from a USB3.0 flash drive and PCIe3.0 really only benefits in Crossfire/SLI setups which you're not doing.....so still a wash. The only difference is when you're running both at stock speeds (or at the same frequency) in which case the 3570K will be better.

I still recommend that Corsair CX430 PSU for the extra wattage especially if you'll be overclocking. The Antec 380 was fine when your rig included an AMD 7770, but check your current build on a PSU calculator and you'll need 430W with a GTX 660. That, and I've had bad experiences with two Antec Earthwatts 380s making a high pitched whining sound.

For the mobo - Do you need ATX, do you need a PCI (not "e") slot. What do you think of any of these?
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Re: New Gaming Rig

Postposted on Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:22 pm

If it has to be a Gigabyte motherboard and you want to overclock, you should choose one of these two:
$147½ -14 code "EMCJHHB225" =$133½ Gigabyte GA-Z77MX-D3H micro-ATX, 3ea PCIe X16, 1ea PCIe X1 slots
$128 -12½ code "EMCJHHB225" =$115½ Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H ATX, 2ea PCIe X16, 3ea PCIe X1, 2ea PCI slots
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Re: New Gaming Rig

Postposted on Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:54 pm

JustAnEngineer wrote:If it has to be a Gigabyte motherboard and you want to overclock, you should choose one of these two:
$147½ -14 code "EMCJHHB225" =$133½ Gigabyte GA-Z77MX-D3H micro-ATX, 3ea PCIe X16, 1ea PCIe X1 slots
$128 -12½ code "EMCJHHB225" =$115½ Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H ATX, 2ea PCIe X16, 3ea PCIe X1, 2ea PCI slots


Yeah probably going to go with the igabyte GA-Z77-D3H ATX, 2ea PCIe X16, 3ea PCIe X1, 2ea PCI slots. Because I'm getting that ATX tower and the PCI & PCIe slots.

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Re: New Gaming Rig

Postposted on Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:55 pm

DPete27 wrote:The extra overclocking headroom that the 2500K affords is basically offset by the ~10% boost in IPC that the 3570K has over the 2500K. I would say that it's a wash there. The 3570K does have PCIe 3.0 and native USB3.0 support though. The native USB3.0 is really only helpful for installing windows from a USB3.0 flash drive and PCIe3.0 really only benefits in Crossfire/SLI setups which you're not doing.....so still a wash. The only difference is when you're running both at stock speeds (or at the same frequency) in which case the 3570K will be better.

I still recommend that Corsair CX430 PSU for the extra wattage especially if you'll be overclocking. The Antec 380 was fine when your rig included an AMD 7770, but check your current build on a PSU calculator and you'll need 430W with a GTX 660. That, and I've had bad experiences with two Antec Earthwatts 380s making a high pitched whining sound.

For the mobo - Do you need ATX, do you need a PCI (not "e") slot. What do you think of any of these?



The only thing about the Corsair is that the CX models are..well kinda out of date. They have a couple new models out now.
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Re: New Gaming Rig

Postposted on Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:50 pm

Nearly all ATX cases will also accept micro-ATX motherboards.

The GA-Z77-D3H motherboard should work fine for you. It's cheaper than the GA-Z77MX-D3H anyway.
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Re: New Gaming Rig

Postposted on Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:34 pm

Sulith wrote:
DPete27 wrote:The i5's are the optimal choice for both....


Arclight wrote:The build is quite good for the money, i just have a few comments, hopefully they are constructive:


Ok, after all my consideration and bending of the budget. :wink: I do want a build that over clocks. So, here is what I am thinking:

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K (http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i5-2500K-Quad-Core-Processor-Cache/dp/B004EBUXHQ

GPU: GeForce GTX 660 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125443)



For a gaming rig, you're definitely overspending on the CPU. The Corei5 2310 for $165 only has a 100 MHz slower boost clock than the 2500K. It's not unlocked, but CPU overclocking will gain you zip in modern games.

The Zotac 660 is $195 after rebate and only has 2% slower boost clock than the Gigabyte.
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Re: New Gaming Rig

Postposted on Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:38 pm

Sulith wrote:
DPete27 wrote:The extra overclocking headroom that the 2500K affords is basically offset by the ~10% boost in IPC that the 3570K has over the 2500K. I would say that it's a wash there. The 3570K does have PCIe 3.0 and native USB3.0 support though. The native USB3.0 is really only helpful for installing windows from a USB3.0 flash drive and PCIe3.0 really only benefits in Crossfire/SLI setups which you're not doing.....so still a wash. The only difference is when you're running both at stock speeds (or at the same frequency) in which case the 3570K will be better.

I still recommend that Corsair CX430 PSU for the extra wattage especially if you'll be overclocking. The Antec 380 was fine when your rig included an AMD 7770, but check your current build on a PSU calculator and you'll need 430W with a GTX 660. That, and I've had bad experiences with two Antec Earthwatts 380s making a high pitched whining sound.

For the mobo - Do you need ATX, do you need a PCI (not "e") slot. What do you think of any of these?



The only thing about the Corsair is that the CX models are..well kinda out of date. They have a couple new models out now.


A typical system with a 660 GTX only draws 287W under load. Assuming there are enough amps on the main line, a good 380W PSU should suffice.
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Re: New Gaming Rig

Postposted on Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:37 pm

The $45 -10MIR Corsair CX430 (384 watts = 32 amperes @ +12 volts) power supply is plenty.
The $49 Antec EA380D (336 watts = 28 amperes @ +12 volts) is sufficient for the system with a Radeon HD7770.

If you're really concerned about it, Newegg has the 500-watt version on sale right now for just $5 more before rebate (it's actually cheaper if you manage to get the rebate). This is significantly more power supply than is necessary for a system with a Radeon HD7850 2GB graphics card.
$60 -10 code "EMCJHHB22" -20MIR Corsair CX500 (456 watts = 38 amperes @ +12 volts)
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Re: New Gaming Rig

Postposted on Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:44 pm

So out of all thats been said... What should I official go for. I'm all over the place. lol.
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Re: New Gaming Rig

Postposted on Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:47 pm

The Corsair. It's got some headroom, but not stupid and wasteful headroom.
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Re: New Gaming Rig

Postposted on Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:59 am

Well, plugging your system into a PSU calculator overclocked to 4.4GHz at stock voltage and 25% capacitor aging, I'm getting a recommended 430W PSU. Therefore, I'd suggest the Corsair CX430 since it's on sale for $20 after MIR. (it typically sells for $20 after MIR) You'll be hard-pressed to find any other decent PSU for cheaper.
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