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Postposted on Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:31 pm

I plan on getting an I5 2500k or 3570k in the next few days. How far can I push the CPU with a stock cooler? I am hoping to run at 4.4 ghz. I have a non-stock cooler on the Q9950 775 intel and the board I am getting will allow me to use it. The cooler I have is a RocketFish that was made by MASSCOOL 8W501B1M3G and works well. I plan on getting a sealed water cooler later on. I am not looking to push the cpu to it's limits but I still want at least 4 ghz.
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:35 pm

Topic moved to OC/Cooling forum.
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:45 pm

Sorry, didn't see that forum...
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:19 pm

No worries, move along :)
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:29 am

I'm not familiar with that CPU cooler, but the Cooler Master Hyper 212 is the normal recommendation for a low cost high performance cooler. If you want to spend a few more dollars the Nocturna DH-14 is a very good cooler, but is much more expensive.
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:50 am

The stock cpu coolers are terrible I wouldn't even overclock on them.
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:27 am

I can vouch that my 2500K and stock cooler clocked to 4.2 reasonably quietly (stock voltage) - YMMV.
I only tried it for a week whilst my Noctua 1155 bracket was in the mail, I've been running it at 4.5 ever since.

Ivy runs cooler at stock but needs more voltage to overclock than Sandy, so you'll definitely need a decent aftermarket cooler for the 3570K...
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:38 am

OK the best inexpensive cooler that will let a 2500k & 3570k hit 4.4ghz + would be the previously mentioned Coolermaster hyper 212 EVO they cost from 30-35$. It is a tower type CPU cooler with 4 direct contact heatpipes that have no gap between the heatpipes making it for the money the best cpu cooler you can buy. It also comes with the hardware to add a second 120mm fan for a push pull setup that may make it a couple degrees warmer if not it will allow you to run the fans at a lower speed and get the same temps as a single fan with less noise.
Just make sure you get the 212 evo and not the original 212 or the 212+ the older models have some gaps between the heatpipes and run a bit warmer.

You said you were looking into getting a closed loop water cooling system. I think they work fantastic I have a asetek 510 that would be a corsair H55 equivalent and it keeps my 4.7ghz 2600k at 1.39v @25c idle and maxes out at around 60-65c. I initially had one noisey 120mm fan but ended up installing 2 enermax orange low noise fans. Now i have a pair of Cougar fans on it since a enermax died.
I am saving my money for the 240mm rad H100i or the double thick 120mm rad h80i from corsair. They are about the best closed loop cooling systems you can get for your cpu. The h100i is around 110$. The h80i cost about the same. They also come with nice software that is controlled by a motherboard usb 2.0 internal header. Note..the software had some bugs but corsair has ironed them out.

The ivy bridge 3570k runs a good bit hotter then the 2500k but you get PCI-e 3.0 support and clock for clock the ivy s are around 5-10% faster then sandy bridge. Ivy bridge at 4.5ghz with 1.3 volts run real hot!!! but you can usually get then to 4.5 ghz on 1.2 volts.
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:00 pm

Thanks vargis14. I like the positives on water coolers, so many are so negative in them. From everything I've read they perform really well and they do it without hanging 10 lbs on metal off the motherboard. The cooler I have now http://www.rocketfishproducts.com/produ ... CPUCF.html is decent and might use it over the stock cooler until my wallet recovers from it's recent debauchment! I just purchased an ASRock Z77 Extreme mb, I3570k CPU and 8 gigs of ram. :)
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:20 pm

Pville_Piper wrote:I like the positives on water coolers, so many are so negative in them.
"Closed loop" water cooling systems are entirely self contained with little chance of leakage. It's a pretty safe choice these day, albeit somewhat pricey. You may be thinking of "custom" water cooling where the builder puts it together themselves and even then, when done properly the risk is minimal... just expensive.

Pville_Piper wrote:l and they do it without hanging 10 lbs on metal off the motherboard.
Hardly 10lbs, but I can certainly understand your concern. The largest and heaviest tower coolers seem to top out at a little over 1kg (or 2.2 lbs). The heaviest exception I can think of is the TRUE Copper which is still only 1.9kg but that's because it's a giant tower of copper instead of aluminum. Would have loved to have one of those things... then I built a custom water loop.
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:31 pm

Pville_Piper wrote:Thanks vargis14. I like the positives on water coolers, so many are so negative in them. From everything I've read they perform really well and they do it without hanging 10 lbs on metal off the motherboard.

The Coolermaster units are surprisingly light for their size and performance. I use the 212's little brother (the Hyper TX3, which has a 92mm fan instead of a 120) to replace the stock HSFs on nearly all of my builds.
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:04 pm

Interesting... I could've picked up the 212 for $28 at Micro Center but didn't. I like the declutered look the the sealed systems offer. The negative views I was talkng about was about the sealed systems. So many people down them for no reason.
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:42 pm

Pville_Piper wrote:So many people down them for no reason.
I think I misinterpreted what you said. Fair enough. If you think they're "down"-ing them for no reason, I don't see much to pay any attention to their viewpoint.
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:35 pm

Piper,
I do not think that rocketfish cpu cooler will cut it. 1ST off it is a low profile HTPC type cooler. Second it does not have mounting brackets for Intel 1156/1155 sockets. The newest Intel socket it supports is socket 775. 3rd observation is that i think it would barely cool a fully loaded 3570k at stock clocks let alone overclocked.
IVY Bridge AKA i5 3570ks put out a tremendous amount of heat overclocked. The new 2013 year h60 has the new improved pump and improved coldplate"this is the actual plate that mounts against your cpu's integrated heatsink" the water side of the improved new split-flow manifold that delivers coolant directly to the center of the cold plate — the core area of the CPU which generates most of heat. This is more important for ivy bridge cpus since they are made on a small 22nm process and the actual cpu chip is very small under the integrated heatsink. Plus Intel decided to not solder the IHS to the cpu chip itself like they did on sandy bridge. They used paste instead :(
The new h60 model also comes with much quieter gray corsair performance fan along with the new larger diameter rubber cooling hoses instead of the lame plastic corrugated lines mine and the old h60 had. It comes with one fan but i rec you get another and do a push pull configuration.

Anyways Newegg has then for 82$ link.....http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6835181030
Here is a customer review of a person with a 3570k at 4.6ghz :P
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Also i would like to add when you do overclock your chip try to get the highest stable overclock you can get @ 1.2 volts...once you hit 1.3 temps rise dramaticly
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:20 pm

mortifiedPenguin wrote: "Closed loop" water cooling systems are entirely self contained with little chance of leakage. It's a pretty safe choice these day, albeit somewhat pricey. You may be thinking of "custom" water cooling where the builder puts it together themselves and even then, when done properly the risk is minimal... just expensive.


Closed loop coolers can indeed leak, just look on the Corsair forums for complaints from users.

I'm not saying don't go water, but don't downplay the risks, either.

I've seen people advocating open loop water coolers because of higher quality (and user serviceable) seals instead, but those can get expensive. Some people even fill their open loop coolers with non-conductive coolant so that any leaks will not damage circuitry.
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:54 pm

Voldenuit wrote:I'm not saying don't go water, but don't downplay the risks, either.
To me, "downplaying" implies that I am trying to hide the risks of using a closed loop system which wasn't my intent. Re-reading my post, I can see why it might seem that way and I would apologize if it seemed like I was trying to push a closed look system. Ultimately, though, my objective was to say that the users of closed loop systems can be reasonably sure they aren't going to leak and that closed loop systems should be generally safe. That said, the only way to be completely sure of no leaks is to use air. Fair enough?

Voldenuit wrote:I've seen people advocating open loop water coolers because of higher quality (and user serviceable) seals instead, but those can get expensive.
Not to derail discussion too much... I've seen that first hand. For anybody that would let me indulge, I've found that using 3/8" tubing on 1/2" barbs can result in a very good seal. Haven't used compression fittings myself, its a bit on the pricy side when you need 10-14 fittings and they cost 5-10 bucks each.
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Tue Jan 01, 2013 5:11 am

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Voldenuit wrote:I'm not saying don't go water, but don't downplay the risks, either.
To me, "downplaying" implies that I am trying to hide the risks of using a closed loop system which wasn't my intent. Re-reading my post, I can see why it might seem that way and I would apologize if it seemed like I was trying to push a closed look system. Ultimately, though, my objective was to say that the users of closed loop systems can be reasonably sure they aren't going to leak and that closed loop systems should be generally safe. That said, the only way to be completely sure of no leaks is to use air. Fair enough?


Definitely agree with you. Closed loop coolers have gotten a lot better (performance-wise) in general compared to their early days, and are ideal for certain applications. I honestly can't say how widespread the failure rate is, depending on who and where you ask, you'll get answers ranging from 'ticking time bomb' to 'rock-solid reliability'. No doubt anyone who's had problems with leakage will have their view significantly colored, but there are also a lot of happy customers.

I don't think you were trying to mislead anyone with your comments, just wanted to point out the potential caveats to the OP.
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:16 am

mortifiedPenguin wrote: If you think they're "down"-ing them for no reason, I don't see much to pay any attention to their viewpoint.

Too funny old man, point taken! :lol:
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:42 pm

Late to the thread, but I'll just put this here and leave:

i5-2500K, 4.8GHz, 1.3-1.4V. Coolermaster Hyper 212 that I bought for someone else a million years ago. Runs nice and cool.

I have a Noctua SE1366 cooler laying around that's nicer and cost 4-5X more, but can't be bothered to send off for the bracket and wait.

That's a pretty solid endorsement for a 20-25$ CPU cooler.
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:54 pm

Pville_Piper wrote:Too funny old man, point taken! :lol:
Old man?! Just how old do you think I am? Though admittedly, in real life, everybody thinks I'm 5-10 years older than I really am... :-?
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Wed Jan 02, 2013 1:15 pm

+1 for the Hyper 212 EVO when/if the time comes.

Have you read anandtech's article on closed loop liquid coolers? Apparently the H55 is pretty strong if that's the way you want to go.
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:59 pm

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_li ... &sid=84039

Cooler Master 612 okay for 3570 Ivy Bridge stock clocks in Antec 1100...?
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:56 am

I am running a i5-3570k at 4.4 with no issues using the Cooler Master Gemin II. Looking on Newegg it has pretty good reviews. Might be a option to consider until you make the move to liquid cooling.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103100

At $40 its affordable and does the job really well. I like the fact that it blows down on the Motherboard and cools the memory, just avoid memory with heat sinks, as well as the CPU. Plus, with its design, it does not stick way out into the case. It is also pretty quiet, even at full speed I do not notice it at all. I actually have to look over to see how fast the fan is running because I don't hear it.

Right now at idle, just my browser running, I am getting temperatures of 86F/30C for the CPU and 77F/25C for the Motherboard.
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:09 am

Nice looking unit Khali!
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:21 am

I also have a CoolerMaster GeminII S524 cooler on a Core i5-3570K in my living room PC. It does a decent job. It isn't as tall as a tower heatsink like a Hyper 212 Evo, but it isn't quite as capable, either.
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:35 am

I'm using a stock cooler with my i5-2500K OC'd to 4.3 GHz. It's not especially loud or hot.
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:26 pm

CaptTomato wrote:[Is a] Cooler Master 612 okay for [a] 3570 Ivy Bridge [running at] stock clocks in [an unmodified] Antec 1100 [case]...?


Yes. At stock clocks you could probably get away without a heatsink altogether*, and just lightly mop the 3570's brow with a damp cloth.

(* - that would actually cause it to throttle horribly and maybe even burn, but any heatsink that fits your socket will be good enough, because Intel supply the worst one possible in the box, and even that is still usually good for an extra 1000MHz of overclocking.)
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:36 pm

Okay, sure, I'll bite. I'll be "that guy". (Ironic, in a way.)

You really want to get some good OC performance out of your shiny new Ivy Bridge chip? Pop the top.

Ivy Bridge processors -- all of them, in my admittedly somewhat limited experience of four chips -- have cheap gunk in between the CPU core and the Integrated Heat Spreader (IHS); it's the metal plate that sits on top to protect the core from cracking.

This is "fine" at first, usually*[see below], but after awhile this gunk dries out and loses its ability to transfer heat, or worse, evaporates and thins, leaving you with a layer of air between your processor and the IHS. You can probably see how this would be a problem.

The obvious solution is to remove the IHS. You can replace the gunk inside with your own and replace the IHS, or you can just leave it off, but the latter is kinda dangerous and will require a spacer to make heatsinks sit properly. In any case, most of your really great OC success stories with Ivy Bridge chips involve de-lidded CPUs.

Of course, if you're a novice, or if you're merely the cautious sort, this type of operation isn't for you, and I don't say that with derision or mockingly. It's a pretty dangerous procedure, and you can easily ruin a $200 processor. Sandy Bridge chips don't need this sort of treatment, since they have their IHS soldered to the core properly, so if you really want to overclock and you don't want to mess with popping the top on your brand new shiny 22nm core, get a Sandy Bridge (2500K). Still, it's hard to deny that IVB has a slight per-clock advantage, and runs cooler with less power in the end (not to mention PCIe 3.0, native USB3, and faster IGPs, among other things.)

*(My own 3570K actually ran hot out of the box and when I opened it up, I found almost nothing between the CPU and the IHS. Prrrrobably should have returned it, but it actually turns out to be a GREAT OC-ing chip, so, story of the ugly duckling, I guess?)
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:13 pm

auxy wrote: Pop the top. The obvious solution is to remove the IHS.
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This is a lot of risk to take for minimal returns. Unless you absolutely must feel the need to have the fastest, biggest e-peen, you don't need to risk destroying your CPU to get satisfactory performance from it.
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Re: I5 cooling options

Postposted on Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:18 pm

JustAnEngineer wrote:This is a lot of risk to take for minimal returns. Unless you absolutely must feel the need to have the fastest, biggest e-peen, you don't need to risk destroying your CPU to get satisfactory performance from it.
I object to your characterization of the process as "minimal returns". I'm running my 3570K @ 4.4Ghz with just +25mV, and it stays under 70C (usually 65-67C) at full load, even with the relatively high ambient temperature (~25-28C) here in Texas.

Still, I think I made it perfectly clear that it's extremely risky in my post.
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