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24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:49 am

I'm in the market for a good 24" 16:10 monitor and I want suggestions on where I should be looking. Unfortunately there seems to be almost no information out there, and what little I've seen is so shabby the authors clearly didn't know what an aspect ratio even is. I don't want a Dell or a Dell clone (I'm looking at you, Asus) because I use those at work and don't want to bring it home with me, and I'm not loaded so I can't be paying a grand for a fancypants professional graphic-designer model. I'd prefer it be LED lit but I'm open to the older technology if it's the only choice.

Suggestions? I'm open to pursuing lesser-known manufacturers if the product is good (pity the Catleap doesn't have a little brother...or does it?). Likewise I'm okay with refurb if it's reliable--I'm currently using a salvaged 19 inch Samsung that runs like a champ with no dead pixels.
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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:17 pm

1) What are you using this monitor for? Most 16:10 monitors are going to be IPS panels geared toward graphic design. While response times are still fairly decent on most IPS monitors, they may produce some ghosting in fast-twitch FPS gaming if you're very sensitive to that sort of thing.

2) What size are you looking for?

3) Why are you so against Dell and Asus when they are probably your best bet for a good quality monitor without spending a ton of money on an NEC, HP Dreamcolor, or the like.
The Asus PA248Q currently for $310 after MIR (has been as low as $250 in December) would be a good IPS monitor with LED backlight. That's similar to the Dell U2412M in price.

If you want a 27" monitor, consider one of the Korean Monitors. I don't have any experience with them but TR did a writeup and many TR readers have bought one.
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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:55 pm

I'm afraid those three conditions (16:10, inexpensive, not Dell/Asus) are, I'm pretty sure, impossible to satisfy simultaneously. You're going to have to compromise on at least one of them.
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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:21 pm

Mentawl wrote:I'm afraid those three conditions (16:10, inexpensive, not Dell/Asus) are, I'm pretty sure, impossible to satisfy simultaneously. You're going to have to compromise on at least one of them.


Uhh

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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:38 pm

TFT central is my favourite site for monitor reviews. Even if there's no review of a monitor you're considering, there's a handy panel database which will confirm the panel type.
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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:23 pm

I bought two ASUS PA248Q (11/2012) and couldn't be happier. They replaced two Acer 22"ers which my wife now has. I was was happy with the Acers (1680x1050) but as a SW developer, I really wanted the additional 30% real estate. The fact that the borders surrounding the LCD panels or a mere 3/4" means its easy to focus on pixels, not frames. The fact that each came with a 4-port USB 3.0 hub, allows for better cable management (wired KB, wireless MSE) as the left edge of the rt hand monitor is hidden behind the rt edge of the left side monitor. On those rare occasions (once so far) that I'd rather view 102 rows (vs 60 ) of an Excel SS, I can rotate one (or both) monitors to "Portrait".

Both stand on a 3 inch high self which I can move closer or further from my eyes and that in addition to their ability to be tilted, raised/lowered (about a 4 inch swing) allow for fully articulated positioning. The shelf also provides a nice cubby hole for KB, mouse and other storagabloe items. Their bases are fairly heavy and easily stablize to any 'one-handed' change of position. The arm mechanics are absolutely 6 star on a 5 star scale.

Two other things I really appreciated was that fact that there were ZERO dead pixels out of over 4.6 million and they arrived fully assembled including large, heavy foot-print bases.

The 6ms response time may certainly impact some gamers but I think 160-Hz video is an exception not a rule - even in games. Actually, does a video card exist that can push 2.3 million pixels at 160+ frames per second? And if so could the human eye perceive it? Just sayining.
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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:25 pm

What is your problem with Dell and Asus? They are pretty much the de facto recommendations now for good value for money ones. HP is pretty much the remaining choice.
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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:30 pm

Could you explain to us why the 16:10 is a requirement? 1920x1200 is extremely rare these days and you'll pay a large premium for it. Unless you have a very good reason for the extra 120 vertical pixels, I would recommend that you simply purchase two 1920x1080 monitors.
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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:34 pm

TurtlePerson2 wrote:Could you explain to us why the 16:10 is a requirement? 1920x1200 is extremely rare these days and you'll pay a large premium for it. Unless you have a very good reason for the extra 120 vertical pixels, I would recommend that you simply purchase two 1920x1080 monitors.

It is not that rare.
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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:22 pm

DPete27 wrote:1) What are you using this monitor for? Most 16:10 monitors are going to be IPS panels geared toward graphic design. While response times are still fairly decent on most IPS monitors, they may produce some ghosting in fast-twitch FPS gaming if you're very sensitive to that sort of thing.


Gaming and personal software development, but I'm not a twitch fiend so 5ms response is totally fine. I'm currently using a Syncmaster 932b which has 5ms and 2000:1 dynamic contrast, I really like it but both VS and Eclipse demand more horizontal real estate.

2) What size are you looking for?

24", but a 23.51 "24 inch class" monitor is fine too as it'll still slightly exceed my current monitor's screen height. Sadly my Ikea card table global command center is just too small for a 27" to work, real shame too because some of those Korean 27" monitors are sechsay beasts.

3) Why are you so against Dell and Asus when they are probably your best bet for a good quality monitor without spending a ton of money on an NEC, HP Dreamcolor, or the like.

I use two Dells at work, a 16:10 and a 16:9, and I'd just rather have a change of scenery when I get home. I realize that's a petty requirement with a number of workarounds, and if I compromise on anything it'd be this, but before making any sort of decision I want the full picture of what all is available.

That HP ZR2440w looks good, it's definitely going on my shortlist. Also considering the Syncmaster S24A450BW-1 and S24A450MW, DVI input is fine because that's what I'd use anyway.

I forgot to mention in the OP but any monitor I get needs to support 1680x1050, and preferably support a 4:3 resolution without horizontal stretching. I tend to run fairly low resolutions. I know what you're thinking, "silly Bogus, just get a 27" 16:9 and run a 16:10 rez" and I may wind up doing that, but I'd prefer not to lose the extra couple inches of desk space if it can be helped. This is another area I may wind up compromising on once all the results are in...Costco has a phenomenal in-store deal on a 27" Syncmaster.
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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:27 pm

NovusBogus wrote:I'm in the market for a good 24" 16:10 monitor and I want suggestions on where I should be looking.


You should be looking at the hundreds of pages of threads on the internet about the dell 2412. I haven't heard about the others listed here, because everywhere I turn is about 2412.

and it goes on sale all the freking time
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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:40 pm

You should certainly consider the Dell UltraSharp U2410. If you really want to change things up from the same black bezel that you have at work, paint the bezel bright pink to match your Hello Kitty decor. Most of us find that using a different background wallpaper and Windows theme is sufficient to change the experience.

If you mounted a 27" monitor on a floating arm that suspended it above the table, it wouldn't dominate your available desk space quite so much.

NovusBogus wrote: Any monitor I get needs to support 1680x1050, and preferably support a 4:3 resolution without horizontal stretching. I tend to run fairly low resolutions. I know what you're thinking, "silly Bogus...
I'm thinking that you should always run your applications at the native resolution of the monitor. If you need for things to be larger, you should use the scaling options in the OS (set font size to 125% in display properties) and in your applications (hold down Ctrl and spin your mouse wheel in your browser, select "Large UI" in Guild Wars 2, etc.). The Dell U2410 is exceptionally good at scaling different resolutions to fit on its 1920x1200 display. Most of the el-cheapo Korean 27" 2560x1440 monitors are very bad at scaling or incapable of scaling at all.
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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:47 pm

That is true JAE, but of course there's always video card scaling. I don't know the detailed implications of using it versus monitor hardware scaling - performance, image quality differences, and so on - but at least it's a simple option that exists on all modern video cards.
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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:06 pm

JustAnEngineer wrote:You should certainly consider the Dell UltraSharp U2410...

As a recent purchaser of a U2410 I can certainly agree that it's a BEAUTIFUL monitor. Not only that, but it's built very solid. On the other hand, the only attraction I see to the U2410 over the U2412 or Asus PA248Q is the added AdobeRGB colorspace which not every computer can output 10-bit color to take advantage of. Hence, I feel that the U2410 would be a waste of money ($450 worth) for the OP's needs, especially when the U2412 and PA248Q are factory calibrated 100% sRGB. (sRGB is the colorspace used for the web and any software interfaces)

I can certainly see where Bogus is feeling the "Dell disdain" but I really don't think Asus looks anything like Dell. When you get into the "professional displays" (not to be confused with aesthetically expensive) they all tend to be flat black and blocky if you ask me.

This doesn't fit into your 16:10 request, but if $300+ is above your budget, you could consider something like this. Thats 23 inches, 1920 x 1080, 6-bit eIPS and I got mine for $165 on sale. There are no claims about 100% sRGB factory calibration but it was a night and day difference from my old TN panel. That gives you a feeling for how much 16:10 costs, plus the step from 23" to 24" seems to make price sky-rocket as well.
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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:01 pm

NovusBogus wrote:
3) Why are you so against Dell and Asus when they are probably your best bet for a good quality monitor without spending a ton of money on an NEC, HP Dreamcolor, or the like.

I use two Dells at work, a 16:10 and a 16:9, and I'd just rather have a change of scenery when I get home. I realize that's a petty requirement with a number of workarounds, and if I compromise on anything it'd be this, but before making any sort of decision I want the full picture of what all is available.
I am calling BS on this. Your Dells at work are most likely the non-Ultrasharp P and S series, which the enthusiasts around here won't touch even if their lives depend on them (ok, may be I exaggerate a little :P). For personal use which can span multiple builds, I would want ones that have decent colours, great viewing angles, and long warranties. This means e-IPS at a minimum, and 3-year premium panel warranty that the Ultrasharp's carry. We are talking different animals here.

NovusBogus wrote:That HP ZR2440w looks good, it's definitely going on my shortlist. Also considering the Syncmaster S24A450BW-1 and S24A450MW, DVI input is fine because that's what I'd use anyway.
The viewing angles pretty much say it all: they are TN panels. I won't touch them personally.

NovusBogus wrote:I forgot to mention in the OP but any monitor I get needs to support 1680x1050, and preferably support a 4:3 resolution without horizontal stretching. I tend to run fairly low resolutions. I know what you're thinking, "silly Bogus, just get a 27" 16:9 and run a 16:10 rez" and I may wind up doing that, but I'd prefer not to lose the extra couple inches of desk space if it can be helped. This is another area I may wind up compromising on once all the results are in...Costco has a phenomenal in-store deal on a 27" Syncmaster.
One thing about the 2410 (unfortunately not the 2412), you get 4:3 scaling which sort of does the old "aspect scaling" when you run lower, different resolutions. The other cheaper models don't even give you scaling options so they are by default in "stretch" mode, making for some ugly scaled texts/graphics. :o

I am not entirely sure about this "losing extra couple inches of desk space" thing. So you want a 24" but want to run lower resolution, do you mean you think the text/graphics are too small for you so want them blown up?
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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:14 pm

Flying Fox wrote:I am not entirely sure about this "losing extra couple inches of desk space" thing. So you want a 24" but want to run lower resolution, do you mean you think the text/graphics are too small for you so want them blown up?


Yeah, and a lot of older games don't offer much control over the UI aside from resolution--even a lot of new stuff overlooks this. A lot of the old sprite-based games only offer 4:3 resolutions which is why any monitor I get needs to handle 4:3 reasonably well.
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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:39 pm

My suggestion for a nice 24" 16:10 monitor is the Samsung SyncMaster S24A850DW (http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/office/monitors/led/LS24A850DW/ZA). The USB3 ports on the back are pretty much useless as they are mounted at the middle of the monitor making them very hard to reach from the front side. However, the screen is beautiful and it's been a great replacement for the Dell 2405FPW that died on me a couple months ago.

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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:21 am

NovusBogus wrote:
Flying Fox wrote:I am not entirely sure about this "losing extra couple inches of desk space" thing. So you want a 24" but want to run lower resolution, do you mean you think the text/graphics are too small for you so want them blown up?


Yeah, and a lot of older games don't offer much control over the UI aside from resolution--even a lot of new stuff overlooks this. A lot of the old sprite-based games only offer 4:3 resolutions which is why any monitor I get needs to handle 4:3 reasonably well.

Then just get over this Dell-phobia and get the U2410.
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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:57 am

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1061724/the-u ... 900-thread

The best 24 inch 16:10 monitor you can get
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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:53 am

Starfalcon wrote:http://www.avsforum.com/t/1061724/the-unofficial-sony-gdm-fw900-thread. The best 24 inch 16:10 monitor you can get

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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Sun Jan 13, 2013 2:42 am

Definitely agree on the FW900,as I'm rocking a HP A7217A(re-badged FW900).Awesome monitor,and has been since I bought it in May 2007.
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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:23 am

I would never fear bringing my work monitor home...besides being arrested for theft, of course :lol:

I have TNs at home because they were cheaper, but those Dell and HP "business" class monitors are very sexy.

If you're worried about desk space, seriously consider wall mounts or something you can clamp to the edge of your desk/table. It opens up a lot of space on your desk and are easy to install.
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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:22 am

Thanks for the suggestions all, I've not made any decisions yet but it's certainly given me some things to think about. I'm not convinced TN is the devil's music so I'm going to go look at some TN monitors next week to see if the drawbacks are too severe for how I'd be using it. Still hesitant to go with a boring Dell but it occurred to me that being a Dell shop means I've got access to a reseller, so I've requested a quote on the U2410 and if it's good enough it may sway me. We're about to place a big order with them so maybe they'll be willing to deal. An Ultrasharp would definitely be nicer than what's in the office, my main monitor is a P series but the other one as well as most of the rest are crappy E series that definitley aren't worth what the company pays for them.

Of the other monitors, I like the looks of the ZR2440w and the USB3 feature of the PA248Q, but HP is not currently in my cool book and the Asus appears to use the same panel as the slowpoke U2412m which makes me question its purported 6ms response time. The Samsung 850 series sounds interesting and I've done well with their products in the past, but there's almost nothing out there in the way of information or even retailers. A clamp is an interesting idea, if none of these pan out I might look into that. The current monitor works fine so I've got plenty of time to ponder.
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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:40 am

Go buy a crappy TN Samsung 27" for $150-200 and then come back on here and complain how the colours are whack and the viewing angles suck unless you spend 2 hrs calibrating everywthing and moving your chair into just the right spot between the two monitors...

...and then go buy the Dell. My home setup is 2 x 1080p 27" Samsung LED LCDs and the difference between them and my work Dell U2410 is scary.
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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:28 am

The only problem I have with modern LED-IPS monitors is that they are now 6-bit instead of 8. The Asus is probably the best model out though. Overdrive adjustable. The PB238Q is $100 cheaper and fixed the bleeding issues, but is 1080.

The HP zr24w IMO was the best monitor to get (8-bit & fast response), but is no longer being made. You have to pay more than it's worth to buy it now.
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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:21 pm

l33t-g4m3r wrote:The HP zr24w IMO was the best monitor to get (8-bit & fast response), but is no longer being made. You have to pay more than it's worth to buy it now.

Somewhere in this thread he mentioned he will be running non-native lower resolutions for old games and stuff. Unfortunately the only monitors that give you either 1:1 or proper aspect scaling are the Dell and Asus.

NovusBogus wrote:I'm not convinced TN is the devil's music so I'm going to go look at some TN monitors next week to see if the drawbacks are too severe for how I'd be using it.
Viewing angles are the biggest problem, it makes colours look "off" if you are not looking at them head-on. Assuming you are looking at them head-on, modern dithering techniques should not produce much banding (unless you use a test pattern to look for them). One thing going for TN is price, but then if a U2312HM costs <$200, I don't see why you have to go down even further to get a TN just to save a few more bucks. Remember a monitor is a longer term investment. It can last through several builds.

NovusBogus wrote:Still hesitant to go with a boring Dell but it occurred to me that being a Dell shop means I've got access to a reseller, so I've requested a quote on the U2410 and if it's good enough it may sway me. We're about to place a big order with them so maybe they'll be willing to deal. An Ultrasharp would definitely be nicer than what's in the office, my main monitor is a P series but the other one as well as most of the rest are crappy E series that definitley aren't worth what the company pays for them.
OK, I do my fair share of bashing for people buying "boring Dell", but that is for the computer itself, not monitors. If you read the usual places for monitor recommendations such as TFT Central, the [H], Anandtech, etc., you will see Dell Ultrasharp's are big. Nothing boring about that. When it comes to monitors, you actually want the monitor frame to be inconspicuous so you can focus on the screen(s). You want highly reflective glossy screens and frames? Blindingly bright power-on/indicator lights? Super thick bezels with a dozen stickers? Sure they are not boring, but are distracting.

I checked the P series, which is probably one step below the Ultrasharp. You basically have the decent stand that can do height, tilt, and rotation adjustments, but you lose out on the panel and number of inputs (the P I linked only has DVI and VGA, the cheaper Ultrasharps have DVI+VGA+DP). And Dell/Asus consistently ship you VGA and DVI cables at least (I believe the Asus ships a DP cable too, bonus!).

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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:46 pm

Not a single mention of NEC!!?!?!
For Shame

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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:54 pm

anotherengineer wrote:Not a single mention of NEC!!?!?!
For Shame

http://www.necdisplay.com/category/desktop-monitors


The first response in this thread mentions buying a NEC.... Gud jib in tha rading.
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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Sun Jan 13, 2013 2:05 pm

I have the HP 2405 (TN, 16:10) and have been very happy with it.

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Re: 24" 16:10 monitors

Postposted on Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:15 pm

For those interested, Dell is selling the U2410 for $400 again. It's probably good through the weekend.

I'm still undecided, but probably going to go for the Asus. Two weeks later and the Dell reseller hasn't bothered to respond to the quote request, which frankly doesn't surprise me much given the company's experience with both Dell and their reseller network. Looked at some TN and IPS panels at Microcenter and couldn't tell much of a difference aside from maybe slightly less of a 'viewing tunnel' when looking at it from ~20 inches away. Guess I'm not much of a videophile. Still, there isn't much of a price difference between the PA248Q and TN monitors and I wouldn't have to go crawling under my desk to plug in a USB3 device which is a nice perk. I'll let y'all know how I like whatever I wind up getting.
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