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jojo22 · Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:14 am

hi, i have a fairly old pc (5 years old) with the gigabyte motherboard G41MT-D3V with a graphics card NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 320mb.. i would like to know if anyone can suggest, what from the newest nvidia graphics cards are supported from my motherboard. any ideas will be greatly appreciated. happy new year to all

yogibbear · Sat Jan 12, 2013 6:42 am

Well you've got a pci-e card so basically any of the new cards will run fine. The only thing that will hold you back in specific applications is your other components as bottlenecks and potentially your power supply. (and what molex pins it has available).

Can you tell us what wattage your powersupply is? e.g. 400, 500W?

jojo22 · Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:01 am

it is 450W power supply... i've got a intel core 2 quad cpu q6600 @2.4Ghz with 2gb of ram.... do u think it is not enough? i think maybe more ram will be necessary

killadark · Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:02 am

jojo22 wrote:
hi, i have a fairly old pc (5 years old) with the gigabyte motherboard G41MT-D3V with a graphics card NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 320mb.. i would like to know if anyone can suggest, what from the newest nvidia graphics cards are supported from my motherboard. any ideas will be greatly appreciated. happy new year to all

since he has a 8800gts im guessing a 400w> psu since that is the minimum for that card as specified by nvidia
you can consider getting a
nvidia gtx660ti or
amd 7870
both will cost you around ~280ish

EDIT- 180 price was wrong

killadark · Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:04 am

jojo22 wrote:
it is 450W power supply... i've got a intel core 2 quad cpu q6600 @2.4Ghz with 2gb of ram.... do u think it is not enough? i think maybe more ram will be necessary

yes popping in more ram would be a good idea but im not sure how much ddr2 prices are nowadays
i would suggest a full system rebuild
you could also try overclocking the processor to a modest 3ghz to avoid bottlenecks

nanoflower · Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:16 am

DDR2 prices aren't bad. They aren't as cheap as DDR3 but you can get 4GB of DDR2 800MHz memory for about 45 dollars from Newegg. They even have a 10% code that should be good until some time today(Sat Jan 12)
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yogibbear · Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:54 am

No point doing an entire system rebuild till haswell comes out in a few months... *fingers crossed*.

Any mid-range current gen GPU should be fine. So........... 660ti or 7870 as per killadark's recommendation. They'll slot right in, and your psu should be good to go.

Then when you go to upgrade to haswell later in the year (say around may/june hopefully), you can keep the gpu you buy now and just get the mobo, cpu and ram and maybe an SSD.

Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:43 am

Any modern graphics card will work with your motherboard and processor, provided that your power supply is up to the task. Your existing Core2Quad CPU may be adequate for a while longer, as others have suggested. In any case, you can easily upgrade the graphics card first and then see if you want to upgrade everything else later.

Elsewhere last week, I wrote:
Here are how graphics card prices stand at Newegg as we enter 2013:

$107 Radeon HD7770 1GB (Gigabyte model GV-R777D5-1GD) 1000 MHz stock <-- Acceptable gaming performance at a bargain price
$135 GeForce GTX650Ti 1GB (Galaxy model 65IGH8DL7AXX) 966 MHz vs. 928 stock
$175 GeForce GTX650Ti 2GB (Gigabyte model GV-N65TOC-2GI) 1032 MHz vs. 928 stock
$175 Radeon HD7850 1GB (Gigabyte model GV-R785OC-1GD) 900 MHz vs. 860 stock
$195 -20MIR Radeon HD7850 2GB (MSI model R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC) 900 MHz vs. 860 stock <-- My suggestion for good gaming performance at 1920x1200 and lower resolutions
$230 -10MIR GeForce GTX660 2GB (EVGA model SuperClocked 02G-P4-2662-KR) 1046 MHz vs. 980 stock
$240 Radeon HD7870 2GB (Gigabyte model GV-R787OC-2GD) 1100 MHz vs. 1000 stock
$280 -10MIR GeForce GTX660Ti 2GB (Gigabyte model GV-N66TWF2-2GD) 941 MHz vs. 915 stock
$300 -20MIR Radeon HD7950 3GB (Sapphire model 100352-2L) 850 MHz stock (925 boost) <-- My suggestion for 2560x1440 and higher resolutions
$360 -10MIR GeForce GTX670 2GB (MSI model N670GTX-PM2D2GD5/OC) 965 MHz vs. 915 stock
$407 -20MIR Radeon HD7970 3GB (Sapphire model 100351SR) 950 MHz (1000 boost) vs. 900 stock
$470 GeForce GTX680 2GB (EGVA model Superclocked, Signature 2 02G-P4-2687-KR) 1097 MHz vs. 1006 stock
$568½ GeForce GTX680 4GB (EVGA model 04G-P4-3687-KR) 1084 MHz vs. 1019 stock

Here are some benchmark results for Guild Wars 2:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gui ... 268-6.html

The next page of that review gives you some idea of how Guild Wars 2 performance can be limited by your CPU even if you have a very powerful graphics card.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gui ... 268-7.html
A quad-core Ivy Bridge processor provides excellent gaming performance.
$220 -15card Intel Core i5-3570K processor for LGA1155 (3.4 GHz (3.8 turbo), 4 cores, 4 threads).

I further wrote:
You may need a power adapter if your old power supply doesn't have a PCIe 6-pin power connector.
$4¼ at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-6-In ... 0007RXDDM/
$5 at Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6812887001

I also wrote:
Fortunately, replacing the power supply is not much harder than installing a graphics card.

Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:15 am

@jojo22 - What OS are you running? Adding RAM isn't going to help you much if you're still on a 32-bit OS. Even if your motherboard can take 4 GB (or more), a 32-bit OS will only be able to use about 3 GB of it.

Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:22 am

Umm... hold on a sec, full stop. How can this system be 5 years old? The GA-G41MT-D3V appears to be a relatively recent motherboard, released just a couple of years ago. (And forget all the discussion of DDR2 prices, it's a DDR3 board.)

Edit: Maybe Gigabyte recently released an updated version of an older motherboard? Certainly seems to be based on somewhat older tech (one of the early DDR3 chipsets).

Edit 2: @jojo22 - Has the motherboard been replaced in the past couple of years? Everything I'm finding on the Web indicates that your motherboard was released sometime in 2011.

jojo22 · Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:55 am

@just brew it! yes u are right actually... i changed the motherboard in 2011... the rest of my system is 5 years old..

sorry for the misunderstanding... and i am running win7 32bit

just brew it! wrote:
Umm... hold on a sec, full stop. How can this system be 5 years old? The GA-G41MT-D3V appears to be a relatively recent motherboard, released just a couple of years ago. (And forget all the discussion of DDR2 prices, it's a DDR3 board.)

Edit: Maybe Gigabyte recently released an updated version of an older motherboard? Certainly seems to be based on somewhat older tech (one of the early DDR3 chipsets).

Edit 2: @jojo22 - Has the motherboard been replaced in the past couple of years? Everything I'm finding on the Web indicates that your motherboard was released sometime in 2011.

Prestige Worldwide · Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:57 am

Q6600 is still enough for today's games, especially with a nice 3.2-3.6 GHz overclock.

Upgrade to 8 GB of RAM and drop in a 7870, or a 660ti for that extra bit of gaming power.

Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:07 am

Prestige Worldwide wrote:
Q6600 is still enough for today's games, especially with a nice 3.2-3.6 GHz overclock.

Upgrade to 8 GB of RAM and drop in a 7870, or a 660ti for that extra bit of gaming power.

Don't forget a copy of Windows 7 64-bit, to allow him to actually use that 8 GB of RAM...

I seem to recall reading that it is possible to use 32-bit Win7 product key on the 64-bit version, but I am unclear on whether this applies to retail and OEM, or just retail.

superjawes · Sat Jan 12, 2013 2:44 pm

just brew it! wrote:
Prestige Worldwide wrote:
Q6600 is still enough for today's games, especially with a nice 3.2-3.6 GHz overclock.

Upgrade to 8 GB of RAM and drop in a 7870, or a 660ti for that extra bit of gaming power.

Don't forget a copy of Windows 7 64-bit, to allow him to actually use that 8 GB of RAM...

I seem to recall reading that it is possible to use 32-bit Win7 product key on the 64-bit version, but I am unclear on whether this applies to retail and OEM, or just retail.

IIRC, retail keys were 32/64-bit agnostic while OEM keys are specific.

jojo, if you can install a 64-bit version of 7, then a RAM/GPU upgrade should be pretty solid, and if you go with something in the 660 Ti range, it should still be usable in a new system down the road.

However, if you can't manage to get to 64-bit (and cheaply), you might also consider taking some time and saving some money to replace everything.

Voldenuit · Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:33 pm

A vote for a GTX660 or 660Ti. The Ti is about 12% faster than the vanilla 660. The Zotac GTX 660 is $215-$20MIR or the Gigabyte GTX 660 is $230-$20MIR. Both are factory overclocked and should close down the gap on the (stock) Ti further. The Gigabyte has a beefier cooler and higher factory overclock; but the Zotac is smaller and runs a lower vcoremax of 1.162V (vs 1.175V stock). I have the Zotac and easily hit 1200 MHz boost clocks with sustained loads.

If you want to step up to a GTX 660Ti, the Gigabyte and Zotac GTX 660Ti are both $290-$20MIR.

I'm using a single 1920x1200 monitor and game with vsync on and the 660 is able to run all my games comfortably at high or ultra settings without breaking a sweat. If you play with vysnc on a single monitor, you probably don't need more than the 660, but the Ti might allow you to tweak the odd visual setting higher. Either card will be a massive upgrade over your 8800GTS, especially with the added VRAM.

NovusBogus · Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:38 pm

If you game at lower resolutions I'd suggest the 650 Ti, I've got one and really like it. It's a low power card so you won't have to worry about whether your power supply is capable of supporting everything. $150 is a touch high for what you get, but it's relatively new so expect the price to drop over the next few months.

Voldenuit · Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:44 pm

NovusBogus wrote:
If you game at lower resolutions I'd suggest the 650 Ti, I've got one and really like it. It's a low power card so you won't have to worry about whether your power supply is capable of supporting everything. $150 is a touch high for what you get, but it's relatively new so expect the price to drop over the next few months.

At the ~$150 price point, the 7850 is a much better option than the 650 Ti - this XFX 7850 is only $175-$20MIR. It's only got 1GB, and the Radeons do not have as efficient VRAM usage as the Kepler chips do, but if you're not maxing out the RAM (lower resolutions, lower AA settings), it's 50-100% faster for only $5 more.

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