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JohnC wrote:Eh, you have a warranty which should cover everything... And beyond the warranty period this thing might become severely outdated, both from hardware point of view and software (MS might stop providing updates for it) so you'll probably want to buy a newer model anyway...
Deanjo wrote:JohnC wrote:Eh, you have a warranty which should cover everything... And beyond the warranty period this thing might become severely outdated, both from hardware point of view and software (MS might stop providing updates for it) so you'll probably want to buy a newer model anyway...
The default 1 year warranty does not cover the natural diminishing of battery capacity, nor does the $99 extended 3 year warranty. I wouldn't say I would just toss it after the warranty expires. Typically most of my machines get used a minimum of 5-6 years before I retire them (laptops usually have their batteries replaced at least once). With the iPad 2 I can get a replacement for $99 (although that battery is still going strong).
BTW the surface pro is covered until 2017 with their updates. Still, I wouldn't be running Windows on it in the first place so that is not a concern.
DancinJack wrote:If you won't be running Windows on it why on earth would you pay that much for it?
JohnC wrote:Eh, you have a warranty which should cover everything... And beyond the warranty period this thing might become severely outdated, both from hardware point of view and software (MS might stop providing updates for it) so you'll probably want to buy a newer model anyway...
DancinJack wrote:Deanjo wrote:BTW the surface pro is covered until 2017 with their updates. Still, I wouldn't be running Windows on it in the first place so that is not a concern.
If you won't be running Windows on it why on earth would you pay that much for it?
Deanjo wrote:It's an x86 tablet that I would be running linux and OS X on. That's why. The hardware choices to be able to do that are pretty limited
just brew it! wrote:Edit:Deanjo wrote:It's an x86 tablet that I would be running linux and OS X on. That's why. The hardware choices to be able to do that are pretty limited
Have you verified that driver support is there in both Linux and OS X?
DancinJack wrote:Not only this, but how is touch support in those OS's? I don't know which distro(s) you're planning on running, but I haven't seen much about touch for Linux.
Ryu Connor wrote:http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/02/ifixit-teardown-shows-surface-pro-is-a-tough-nut-to-crack/
just brew it! wrote:Ryu Connor wrote:http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/02/ifixit-teardown-shows-surface-pro-is-a-tough-nut-to-crack/
Heh. If it's really that hard to get at the battery, the Surface pro is one really expensive disposable device. Sounds like even if MS does offer a battery replacement program, it may be more along the lines of "Sure, we'll sell you a new battery... in a shiny new Surface Pro case!"
And to think I was pissed when my Asus EEPC didn't have an easily accessible hard drive...
SecretSquirrel wrote:See the ifixit tear down. From what I see, the system is designed to be disposable.
SecretSquirrel wrote:just brew it! wrote:Ryu Connor wrote:http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/02/ifixit-teardown-shows-surface-pro-is-a-tough-nut-to-crack/
Heh. If it's really that hard to get at the battery, the Surface pro is one really expensive disposable device. Sounds like even if MS does offer a battery replacement program, it may be more along the lines of "Sure, we'll sell you a new battery... in a shiny new Surface Pro case!"
And to think I was pissed when my Asus EEPC didn't have an easily accessible hard drive...
See the ifixit tear down. From what I see, the system is designed to be disposable.
--SS
thecoldanddarkone wrote:At least it's not built to fall apart.
just brew it! wrote:thecoldanddarkone wrote:At least it's not built to fall apart.
Yeah, a fair bit of the stuff they did seems to be intended to ruggedize it. Looks like it should be able to take a fair bit of abuse. But if it *does* break, or if the battery dies, it looks like you'll need to replace the entire unit.
just brew it! wrote:DancinJack wrote:Deanjo wrote:BTW the surface pro is covered until 2017 with their updates. Still, I wouldn't be running Windows on it in the first place so that is not a concern.
If you won't be running Windows on it why on earth would you pay that much for it?
Bingo. Why in the *world* would you buy something from Microsoft to run a non-Microsoft OS on? Aside from the high price, hardware compatibility is a very real concern too.
Edit:Deanjo wrote:It's an x86 tablet that I would be running linux and OS X on. That's why. The hardware choices to be able to do that are pretty limited
Have you verified that driver support is there in both Linux and OS X?
JohnC wrote:About the warranty and battery coverage: who cares if the warranty doesn't "cover diminishing battery life"??? If your battery starts to lose life and you're still under warranty - just "brick" the whole tablet in some creative way, you'll simply get a new one (or at least refurbished, which should be better anyway), and if that model is not available anymore - you'll get a newer model as a replacement, which is even better (since it might very likely be more power-efficient and/or have a higher capacity battery). Think outside of your "boxes", people!
JohnC wrote:About the warranty and battery coverage: who cares if the warranty doesn't "cover diminishing battery life"??? If your battery starts to lose life and you're still under warranty - just "brick" the whole tablet in some creative way, you'll simply get a new one (or at least refurbished, which should be better anyway), and if that model is not available anymore - you'll get a newer model as a replacement, which is even better (since it might very likely be more power-efficient and/or have a higher capacity battery). Think outside of your "boxes", people!
just brew it! wrote:Similar thing for people who bought Macbooks (and MBPs) to just run Windows.DancinJack wrote:If you won't be running Windows on it why on earth would you pay that much for it?
Bingo. Why in the *world* would you buy something from Microsoft to run a non-Microsoft OS on? Aside from the high price, hardware compatibility is a very real concern too.
Deanjo wrote:Digitizer == the pen? That sounds good. What about the Touch/Type cover? Not sure if that 5-point contact runs USB protocol.Touchscreen support was a bit of a concern but my buddy who already bought a surface pro has a working touchsceen and digitizer driver for it.
just brew it! wrote:JohnC wrote:About the warranty and battery coverage: who cares if the warranty doesn't "cover diminishing battery life"??? If your battery starts to lose life and you're still under warranty - just "brick" the whole tablet in some creative way, you'll simply get a new one (or at least refurbished, which should be better anyway), and if that model is not available anymore - you'll get a newer model as a replacement, which is even better (since it might very likely be more power-efficient and/or have a higher capacity battery). Think outside of your "boxes", people!
So in your mind, fraud qualifies as "thinking outside the box"?
JohnC wrote:just brew it! wrote:So in your mind, fraud qualifies as "thinking outside the box"?
Yea, it does... Especially if the company forces customers to (potentially) waste a lot of $$$ because this company did a very bad job at designing hardware with proper power efficiency and proper battery capacity/life
just brew it! wrote:I've not been overly impressed with KDE's stability even as a standard (no touch) desktop platform. Good luck with that.
just brew it! wrote:JohnC wrote:just brew it! wrote:So in your mind, fraud qualifies as "thinking outside the box"?
Yea, it does... Especially if the company forces customers to (potentially) waste a lot of $$$ because this company did a very bad job at designing hardware with proper power efficiency and proper battery capacity/life
If the battery life is a problem for you, why buy it at all? You're just (indirectly) driving prices up for people who don't mind the short battery life.
JohnC wrote:...I was just giving a suggestion to people concerned about the battery lifetime of this abomination.