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Black Applesauce wrote:You mean like this?Anyone know a place where I could get a sick paint job on a .44 magnum.
paulWTAMU wrote:Heh. I've been drooling over some $2k Nightforce scopes. It seems everything is getting both cooler and more expensive.If and when I get a semi-auto, I want to get something with a good mount for a low power fixed magnification optic; the problem is that looking around it looks like those are *more* expensive than variable power scopes. but 4x was enough for me out to 100 yards with a .22 and my 30-30.
Last I had a vision exam, I was 20/20 in both eyes. You shouldn't really "see" the target anyway when shooting with iron sights. You're supposed to focus on the front sight and let the target go fuzzy.
Vrock wrote:Buub wrote:I'm thinking of picking up an AR-15. I am not going to spend extravagantly. Just start out with the basics and build on it.
Anything I should pay particular attention to? Anything I should make sure I avoid?
Best/worst brands for this approach?
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Don't buy now. Prices are ridiculous at the moment. Wait. These rifles will be available later for less. Brand matters little. Features you want are a 4150 cmv steel barrel. Cold hammer forged types are supposed to be better, but I've not seen this true in practice. 4140 barrels are okay but may not last as long/function as well under rapid fire conditions. I prefer a A3 style flattop receiver with a fixed front iron sight. Chrome lined barrels make cleaning much easier and increase barrel life but supposedly have a marginal effect on accuracy. Again, I've not seen any appreciable difference in practice at 100 yards. Get a M16 type bolt carrier if you can, but if you can't a AR15 type is fine. Magpul accessories are nice when you're thinking of upgrading. 20" barrels have measurably better ballistics than 16" barrels. Avoid 14.5" barrels with welded flash hiders; velocity and flexibility suffers. Optics are nice but not necessary and overrated in my opinion. I hit 300 meter man sized targets without them routinely when I served, and I'm only a Sharpshooter with the platform.
paulWTAMU wrote:The problem is the iron sights I've tried, with both my 30-30 and my .22, I can't really see when I'm focusing. It's hard to explain, but the front post gets hazy, and kind of blurry. The guys at Appleseed had me try on one that they'd put on a Remington .22 that was marked--they didn't tell me it was notched and I could not tell while shooting. It may be a glasses thing--maybe I just need bifocals now? But I can still read OK at close range--my monitor is about 18" from me and I can see what I'm typing all right.
TurtlePerson2 wrote:I've been looking at buying my first gun. It will be used for range shooting and home defense, not carrying. I've been leaning toward a Glock G17 because it seems like a good combination of quality, reliability, and price. I have a few questions that you gerbils who have been firearms for years will probably be able to answer.
1.) I have heard that gun and ammo prices have been significantly higher in the last few months. Should I wait to purchase my gun? If so, how long should I expect to wait before prices go back down to where they were?
2.) I plan to buy my gun at a local gun store. I live in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex, so there is a gun store on every corner it seems. Should I negotiate on price when I'm purchasing my gun or is the price they say the price I get?
3.) Is the G17 a good idea or should I choose something else?
Thanks for any help!
JustAnEngineer wrote:What makes you favor the 17 over the 19? Or the 23?
StuG wrote:The Glock G17 is a good gun, not something I would get (Glock's angled grips just don't work for me) but they are nice craftsmenship (as all Glocks are). Ammo and Gun prices are high right now, that is correct. There are many good deals you can find out there, just don't buy it off something like gunbroker as you will be overcharged. I just bought a pistol from budsgunshop and the price was $90 below MSRP and gunbroker, so the deals are still out there. You can attempt to negotiate a price, but it is a seller's market and unless you are trading something in most will shrug off the attempt. My suggestion would be to make sure you hold a lot of different "possibilities" before you buy anything. From there, choose an ammo type. 9mm is great but that is the #1 hardest round to find right now, and that situation could last up to 6 months (or even a year) if previous ammo shortages are being used as examples. I find that all other types of ammo besides 9mm can be found, just going to be marked up a bit. Hope this helped!
TurtlePerson2 wrote:JustAnEngineer wrote:What makes you favor the 17 over the 19? Or the 23?
The G19 is a compact pistol, I was leaning toward the G17 because it is full size. From what I understand, compact pistols have higher recoil and are intended more for concealed carrying (something I don't intend to do anytime soon). The G23 is also a compact pistol and it is chambered for .40 instead of 9mm. From what I understand, .40 is normally more expensive than 9mm.StuG wrote:The Glock G17 is a good gun, not something I would get (Glock's angled grips just don't work for me) but they are nice craftsmenship (as all Glocks are). Ammo and Gun prices are high right now, that is correct. There are many good deals you can find out there, just don't buy it off something like gunbroker as you will be overcharged. I just bought a pistol from budsgunshop and the price was $90 below MSRP and gunbroker, so the deals are still out there. You can attempt to negotiate a price, but it is a seller's market and unless you are trading something in most will shrug off the attempt. My suggestion would be to make sure you hold a lot of different "possibilities" before you buy anything. From there, choose an ammo type. 9mm is great but that is the #1 hardest round to find right now, and that situation could last up to 6 months (or even a year) if previous ammo shortages are being used as examples. I find that all other types of ammo besides 9mm can be found, just going to be marked up a bit. Hope this helped!
Thanks for the information. I looked at the S&W M&P and liked what I saw, but it seemed that the Glock had it beat in almost every way and was cheaper as well. I think what I may do is handle a few different choices at the gun store to see if the Glock is right for me. I've heard that it's a love-it or hate-it sort of thing.
Even with increased ammo prices, what I've been seeing online is that 9mm is still cheaper than .40. I could purchase a pistol chambered for .22, but that caliber doesn't seem like something I'd want my life depending on.
TurtlePerson2 wrote:I thought that the "subcompact" models like the G26 were the concealed carry choices.The G19 is a compact pistol, I was leaning toward the G17 because it is full size. From what I understand, compact pistols have higher recoil and are intended more for concealed carrying (something I don't intend to do anytime soon).
JustAnEngineer wrote:Yes and no. The subcompacts (G26, G27, G30, G36, etc.) or "micro-Glocks" are definitely geared towards concealed carry. They're almost holdout pistol sized. But the midsized Glocks (G19, G23, etc.) are also decent concealed carry weapons. They're still known as the "compact" level of Glocks. Before the micro-Glocks came on the scene, the G19 was designed for plainclothes officers, IIRC.I thought that the "subcompact" models like the G26 were the concealed carry choices.
TurtlePerson2 wrote:The G19 is a compact pistol, I was leaning toward the G17 because it is full size. From what I understand, compact pistols have higher recoil and are intended more for concealed carrying (something I don't intend to do anytime soon). The G23 is also a compact pistol and it is chambered for .40 instead of 9mm. From what I understand, .40 is normally more expensive than 9mm.
Even with increased ammo prices, what I've been seeing online is that 9mm is still cheaper than .40. I could purchase a pistol chambered for .22, but that caliber doesn't seem like something I'd want my life depending on.
Darkmage wrote:The micro-Glocks are a direct result of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban.
Lazier_Said wrote:I disagree. The flow of events went from a magazine limit of 10 rounds to seeing how small a pistol you could make and still have a 10 round capacity. It's not a coincidence the Glock 26 was released a year after the AWB went into effect.They're more the result of liberalization of carry laws at the state level, prior to that there was no point to building carry guns when the market began and ended with a few undercover cops.
StuG wrote:I would look at some of the following:
Glock 17
S&W M&P
H&K P30
CZ 75B
Ruger SR
Springfield XD
Beretta 92FS
Sig Sauer P226
Sam125 wrote:StuG wrote:I would look at some of the following:
Glock 17
S&W M&P
H&K P30
CZ 75B
Ruger SR
Springfield XD
Beretta 92FS
Sig Sauer P226
I'd change the CZ75B to the newer BD model, the Sig Sauer to the P220 and add the FN 5-7 to the list. The H&K P30 is a good choice IMO. I can't comment on the American guns as I'm more of a fan of European pistols. (Although since I live in non-rural California I'd never buy a gun. Although a range rental for a day would be OK IMO. )
Sam125 wrote:The cool thing about the CZ75 is you can replace the barrel and turn it into a cheap-to-fire .22 plinking pistol
StuG wrote:Sam125 wrote:StuG wrote:I would look at some of the following:
Glock 17
S&W M&P
H&K P30
CZ 75B
Ruger SR
Springfield XD
Beretta 92FS
Sig Sauer P226
I'd change the CZ75B to the newer BD model, the Sig Sauer to the P220 and add the FN 5-7 to the list. The H&K P30 is a good choice IMO. I can't comment on the American guns as I'm more of a fan of European pistols. (Although since I live in non-rural California I'd never buy a gun. Although a range rental for a day would be OK IMO. )
Good point on the BD model. Why the 220 over 226? FN 5-7 is way too pricey for what you get.
Sam125 wrote:300 yards is "medium range" for a pistol? In my experience, pistol trajectories don't get affected by drop much. There's not enough time.... it has an extremely flat trajectory out to ~1000 ft so it's surprisingly accurate short to medium range, ...
Darkmage wrote:Sam125 wrote:300 yards is "medium range" for a pistol? In my experience, pistol trajectories don't get affected by drop much. There's not enough time.... it has an extremely flat trajectory out to ~1000 ft so it's surprisingly accurate short to medium range, ...
Darkmage wrote:Sam125 wrote:300 yards is "medium range" for a pistol? In my experience, pistol trajectories don't get affected by drop much. There's not enough time.... it has an extremely flat trajectory out to ~1000 ft so it's surprisingly accurate short to medium range, ...
Sam125 wrote:StuG wrote:Sam125 wrote:
I'd change the CZ75B to the newer BD model, the Sig Sauer to the P220 and add the FN 5-7 to the list. The H&K P30 is a good choice IMO. I can't comment on the American guns as I'm more of a fan of European pistols. (Although since I live in non-rural California I'd never buy a gun. Although a range rental for a day would be OK IMO. )
Good point on the BD model. Why the 220 over 226? FN 5-7 is way too pricey for what you get.
The P220 mainly because it can be chambered for the .45ACP round. The FN 5-7 is definitely pricey but for home defense it seems very decent IMO. It has almost no recoil which makes up follow up shots easier to land, the 5.7 expels most of it's kinetic energy upon initial penetration so there's less of a chance of the round exiting the assailant and then penetrating the wall behind him, it has an extremely flat trajectory out to ~1000 ft so it's surprisingly accurate short to medium range, ammo is fairly cheap now, and it scares gun fearing politicians. lol (I've been doing my research in case I ever do want to buy a gun. )
StuG wrote:True. I didn't think the 45ACP was the round the person I was talking too was all that interested in. In regards to the B vs BD model, I honestly don't know. I haven't done enough research into it to say one way or another...just kinda took your word for it. I still couldn't bring myself to recommend the FN 5-7. Anyone would tell you the best gun to use for self defense is the gun you are practiced on. Given proprietary/expensive ammo the FN 5-7 shoots, I don't see that happening. I will take a familiar gun with worse specs than a better gun that I hardly ever get to shoot. I think most people would agree with that sentiment.
Sam125 wrote:StuG wrote:True. I didn't think the 45ACP was the round the person I was talking too was all that interested in. In regards to the B vs BD model, I honestly don't know. I haven't done enough research into it to say one way or another...just kinda took your word for it. I still couldn't bring myself to recommend the FN 5-7. Anyone would tell you the best gun to use for self defense is the gun you are practiced on. Given proprietary/expensive ammo the FN 5-7 shoots, I don't see that happening. I will take a familiar gun with worse specs than a better gun that I hardly ever get to shoot. I think most people would agree with that sentiment.
Ah, fair enough. Yeah I haven't really looked into the CZ75 (other than its reputation of being a solid pistol) much other than to note that the BD was able to be half cocked and de-cocked safely which the B model apparently lacked or something to that effect. Also, you'd be surprised about the 5-7 ammo cost! A box of SS197 ammo can be bought for ~$25 now which seems very reasonable to me.