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Looking to upgrade my graphics card

Postposted on Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:01 pm

Hello everyone,

I have recently seen that a cheap GT 620 will not hold much longer for any type of gaming. Even if i'm used to very low FPS (for example 7-15 in Farcry 3, 15-20 in saints row 3), I would like to be able to enjoy better graphics. I have recently seen the new GTX 650TI boost and I was extremely surprised since the price point is fairly low. But one problem remains, I only have 460 watts in my machine and have no intention of buying a new PSU now. (more because of the extra cost)

So here is my question, will I be able to run the card in my computer without having frequent BSODs because of overheating?

Here's what currently is in my machine:
i7-3770 (not overclocked, I don't think you can anyway)
GT 620 ( that would be removed)
A ssd (this one http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226318 I also have the original HDD in)

Here's the model if you need more info: Hp Pavilion HPE H8-1213c http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=us&lc=en&dlc=en&tmp_geoLoc=true&docname=c03363679#N634

Finally, If it does work, what company should I go with? Zotac seems to have the lowest price point, but is there anything wrong etc.
And if it does not work, should I wait to see what AMD wil do to counter this, or should I save up more and get a whole new PSU and an other card like the GTX 670 or an equivalent on AMD's side.

Do note that i'm not interested in anything below the GTX 650ti boost, the increase in performance would be a bit too low for the money.

Thank You

EDIT: I did search online to see if the card would work on my system, I found it should work with 450w, but I don't want to spend 200$ to realise I need to spend another 100$ to use the card.
Aaaand I don't understand anything past the processor and graphics card point in wattage calculators
EDIT2: Fixed my mistake where I wrote 550 instead of 650
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Re: Looking to upgrade my graphics card

Postposted on Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:25 pm

You want at least a Radeon HD7770 if you buy a new graphics card. The less expensive models aren't worth bothering with. For the games that you've listed, Radeon HD7850 or GeForce GTX660 would be better.
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Re: Looking to upgrade my graphics card

Postposted on Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:45 pm

I'm sure you mean GTX 650 Ti BOOST, not 550. The one that TechReport did a review over recently?

It's a very good value, but you can sometimes find GTX660s for similar prices, and they're slightly better.

This card is a good value.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814127731

However, I think this is a much BETTER value:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814130826

$199US, and it comes with a free copy of Metro: Last Light. It also sports significantly higher clock rates than the reference GTX660.

I don't know where you are from, or what the market is like where you live, but I would strongly suggest the GTX660. It's priced very competitively right now, and it's very performant.
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Re: Looking to upgrade my graphics card

Postposted on Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:21 am

auxy wrote:I'm sure you mean GTX 650 Ti BOOST, not 550. The one that TechReport did a review over recently?


Oh, yeah, that's what happens when it's late and you try to make sense, and thanks for the recommendation, i'll think about it, since the GTX660 states on newegg's website states it works with 450w, it is something to consider.
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Re: Looking to upgrade my graphics card

Postposted on Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:51 am

The GeForce 650 Ti Boost has got the best performance per dollar if you are not looking at the in-game bundles.

If you are looking into a card with a 460W PSU, don't rely on web sites telling you what power supply you need. IIRC AMD says you need a 500W PSU for running a 7750, which is just nonsense, unless you are really using that much wattage. I'd say, sans the GPU, you're probably using 100-130W during gaming. So you have a lot of room to spare. The 650 Ti Boost is about 150W, the 7850 about 130W, and the 7790 about 90W.
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Re: Looking to upgrade my graphics card

Postposted on Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:15 am

Star Brood wrote:The 650 Ti Boost is about 150W, the 7850 about 130W, and the 7790 about 90W.

If you can't figure out how to select your system components from drop-down lists on a power supply calculator you can always head over to the power, temperature, and noise page of any TR GPU article for a rough estimate, then multiply that by ~2x for recommended PSU wattage. Keep in mind what the test rig consists of compared to what you have.

Using your system in a PSU calculator I'm getting a recommended 400W PSU. Those recommendations are based on ~50% PSU load at 90% system usage for max efficiency and some allowable headroom. I don't think I'd trust your current PSU much further than a GTX660 or GTX650 Ti Boost (both use about the same power).

From what I've seen, good sale prices for GPUs (after MIR) are: GTX 660 = $180, 7850 2GB = $170, GTX 650 Ti Boost = $155, 7790 = $120. At those prices, all the aforementioned GPUs are on roughly the same plane of price/performance (ignoring the subjective value of game bundles). Keep in mind, just because a 7790 can "only" play almost every game at 1080p on high settings cranking out ~50fps doesn't mean it won't kick the pants off your current GT620. It's all a matter of budget. Also, newegg.com reviews won't lead you astray. I would steer clear of any card that has a 3-egg rating or lower.
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Re: Looking to upgrade my graphics card

Postposted on Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:37 am

The 650Ti Boost will work fine with your PSU. I have an overclocked Athlon II X4 and a hot clocked HD 7870 running off a 10 year old 485 watt PSU. Both those components are rather power hungry compared to your proposed overall system and I can report no problems whatsoever.

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Re: Looking to upgrade my graphics card

Postposted on Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:50 pm

DPete27 wrote:
Star Brood wrote:The 650 Ti Boost is about 150W, the 7850 about 130W, and the 7790 about 90W.

If you can't figure out how to select your system components from drop-down lists on a power supply calculator you can always head over to the power, temperature, and noise page of any TR GPU article for a rough estimate, then multiply that by ~2x for recommended PSU wattage. Keep in mind what the test rig consists of compared to what you have.

Using your system in a PSU calculator I'm getting a recommended 400W PSU. Those recommendations are based on ~50% PSU load at 90% system usage for max efficiency and some allowable headroom. I don't think I'd trust your current PSU much further than a GTX660 or GTX650 Ti Boost (both use about the same power).

From what I've seen, good sale prices for GPUs (after MIR) are: GTX 660 = $180, 7850 2GB = $170, GTX 650 Ti Boost = $155, 7790 = $120. At those prices, all the aforementioned GPUs are on roughly the same plane of price/performance (ignoring the subjective value of game bundles). Keep in mind, just because a 7790 can "only" play almost every game at 1080p on high settings cranking out ~50fps doesn't mean it won't kick the pants off your current GT620. It's all a matter of budget. Also, newegg.com reviews won't lead you astray. I would steer clear of any card that has a 3-egg rating or lower.


Well, thanks a lot for the great information, it really helps figuring things out. And thanks for the double the power tip, it's pretty interesting.
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Re: Looking to upgrade my graphics card

Postposted on Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:24 pm

I can verify that you will be able to run a 650ti or 660 in your rig. I currently have a dell xps with a 460 watt PSU. I bought a GTX660 with a slight overclock and it hasn't caused my system any problems.

My specs are in my signature and it looks like our systems are alomst identical. im also running a SSD along with the HDD. I say pull the trigger.
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