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AMD's Answer to GeForce GTX 700 Series: Volcanic Islands!!!

Postposted on Wed May 08, 2013 6:23 am

20 nm silicon fab process
4096 stream processors
16 serial processor cores
4 geometry engines
256 TMUs
64 ROPs
512-bit GDDR5 memory interface

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Re: AMD's Answer to GeForce GTX 700 Series: Volcanic Islands

Postposted on Wed May 08, 2013 6:51 am

That's not their answer to the GeForce 700. That's their next-generation product that won't be seeing the light of day until well into 2014, which is right around the time that Nvidia will have its own next-generation products. The GeForce 700 is really just a reshuffled version of Kepler anyway.
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Re: AMD's Answer to GeForce GTX 700 Series: Volcanic Islands

Postposted on Wed May 08, 2013 7:25 am

chuckula wrote:That's not their answer to the GeForce 700. That's their next-generation product that won't be seeing the light of day until well into 2014, which is right around the time that Nvidia will have its own next-generation products. The GeForce 700 is really just a reshuffled version of Kepler anyway.


I highly doubt next generation Nvidia products are inbound in the first quarter of 2014.
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Re: AMD's Answer to GeForce GTX 700 Series: Volcanic Islands

Postposted on Wed May 08, 2013 7:33 am

Jigar wrote:20 nm silicon fab process
4096 stream processors
16 serial processor cores
4 geometry engines
256 TMUs
64 ROPs
512-bit GDDR5 memory interface

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That sounds about as strong as Nvidia's Titan, which you can purchase this very day.
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Re: AMD's Answer to GeForce GTX 700 Series: Volcanic Islands

Postposted on Wed May 08, 2013 7:34 am

Jigar wrote:20 nm silicon fab process
4096 stream processors
16 serial processor cores
4 geometry engines
256 TMUs
64 ROPs
512-bit GDDR5 memory interface

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That 512 bit memory interface has me worried, they might wanna sell their top single GPU card at around $1000.....to me it looks like the Titan has started a trend. Frankly i don't like it.
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Re: AMD's Answer to GeForce GTX 700 Series: Volcanic Islands

Postposted on Wed May 08, 2013 7:48 am

Jigar wrote:
chuckula wrote:That's not their answer to the GeForce 700. That's their next-generation product that won't be seeing the light of day until well into 2014, which is right around the time that Nvidia will have its own next-generation products. The GeForce 700 is really just a reshuffled version of Kepler anyway.


I highly doubt next generation Nvidia products are inbound in the first quarter of 2014.


We'll see if the next generation of AMD parts actually launches in the first quarter of 2014 too. I expect Nvidia's launch to be behind AMD's, just like with Kepler, but TSMC's 20nm process is the real deciding factor in when things get launched. Oh, and Apple apparently wants a big chunk of TSMC's output too....
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Re: AMD's Answer to GeForce GTX 700 Series: Volcanic Islands

Postposted on Wed May 08, 2013 7:49 am

flip-mode wrote:20 nm silicon fab process
(Volcanic islands) 4096 stream processors Vs 2880 (Titan)
16 serial processor cores Vs NA (TItan)
4 geometry engines
256 TMUs
64 ROPs Vs 48 (Titan)
512-bit GDDR5 memory interface Vs 384 bit GDDR5 (Titan)


That sounds about as strong as Nvidia's Titan, which you can purchase this very day.


It looks more powerful than Titan, infact if you look closely 20nm Silicon fab process should help the GPU frequency scaling.
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Re: AMD's Answer to GeForce GTX 700 Series: Volcanic Islands

Postposted on Wed May 08, 2013 7:58 am

Jigar wrote:
flip-mode wrote:That sounds about as strong as Nvidia's Titan, which you can purchase this very day.
It looks more powerful than Titan, infact if you look closely 20nm Silicon fab process should help the GPU frequency scaling.

So in 2014 there will be a Radeon that will be slightly faster by virtue of clock rate than a card Nvidia has on the market right now, at least a year earlier. Um, I don't see cause for jubilation here.
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Re: AMD's Answer to GeForce GTX 700 Series: Volcanic Islands

Postposted on Wed May 08, 2013 8:05 am

flip-mode wrote:
Jigar wrote:
flip-mode wrote:That sounds about as strong as Nvidia's Titan, which you can purchase this very day.
It looks more powerful than Titan, infact if you look closely 20nm Silicon fab process should help the GPU frequency scaling.

So in 2014 there will be a Radeon that will be slightly faster by virtue of clock rate than a card Nvidia has on the market right now, at least a year earlier. Um, I don't see cause for jubilation here.



If it's substantially cheaper, then that's a very good thing. Although you are right that it won't be miraculous from a purely performance-based perspective.
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Re: AMD's Answer to GeForce GTX 700 Series: Volcanic Islands

Postposted on Wed May 08, 2013 8:14 am

chuckula wrote:If it's substantially cheaper, then that's a very good thing. Although you are right that it won't be miraculous from a purely performance-based perspective.

It's a year from now which is next gen time for both Nvidia and AMD. I guess my point is that if we're going to be celebrating 2014 video cards we should celebrate Nvidia's too. No, wait, actually my point is that it's simply too early to "celebrate" this stuff in any meaningful way at all. Hell, the 7990 just launched - is everyone here familiar with the fact that AMD initially suggested that this card was due "soon" a full year ago? By that time table, Volcanic Islands could launch in 2014.
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Re: AMD's Answer to GeForce GTX 700 Series: Volcanic Islands

Postposted on Wed May 08, 2013 8:18 am

AMD fanboys rejoice! Realists realize this isn't a windfall to AMD.

I would guess that the only reason that Nvidida is basically rebranding 6xx and Titan chips for the 7xx series is because AMD isn't going to get this out in a timely fashion, and sure enough, it sounds like the 7xx series is going to be competing with the 7xxx cards for about six months, and those cards have already been on the market for a while. We're also looking at an optimistic release of these cards six months from now, and a lot can happen in six months to delay these cards.

Now even if the 8xxx series (Volcanic Islands) is significantly better than the 7xx cards, you must realize that Nvidida is also working on their own new chips, which likely aren't getting released in the 7xx series, again, because they don't have to. Nvidia is going to take its own sweet time on the "true" competition for the 8xxx series.

So sure, Volcanic Islands looks good, but branding this as "The answer to Nvidia" only serves as a sensationalist headline.
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Re: AMD's Answer to GeForce GTX 700 Series: Volcanic Islands

Postposted on Wed May 08, 2013 8:23 am

These are very good specs on paper.

If they have their frame latency issues completely resolved for the launch of the 8K series, I might consider going back to team red after a second-hand GTX 295 in 2010 and upgrading to a 670 last year. I've been rooting for them since the 4870 was released and put downward pressure on high-end GPU prices in 2008, but they seem to have abandoned that strategy since the 7970's release.
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Re: AMD's Answer to GeForce GTX 700 Series: Volcanic Islands

Postposted on Wed May 08, 2013 11:35 pm

flip-mode wrote:
Jigar wrote:
flip-mode wrote:That sounds about as strong as Nvidia's Titan, which you can purchase this very day.
It looks more powerful than Titan, infact if you look closely 20nm Silicon fab process should help the GPU frequency scaling.

So in 2014 there will be a Radeon that will be slightly faster by virtue of clock rate than a card Nvidia has on the market right now, at least a year earlier. Um, I don't see cause for jubilation here.


We both are speculating here, if the architecture is efficient, even 100 steam processor based Radeon can beat Titan. All i did here was passed on the information that was published on techpowerup. :)
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Re: AMD's Answer to GeForce GTX 700 Series: Volcanic Islands

Postposted on Thu May 09, 2013 6:47 am

Jigar wrote:We both are speculating here, if the architecture is efficient, even 100 steam processor based Radeon can beat Titan. All i did here was passed on the information that was published on techpowerup. :)

Yeah, I know. I was being a tad bitchy, in part because AMD is more often than not really good at promises and really bad at delivery.
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Re: AMD's Answer to GeForce GTX 700 Series: Volcanic Islands

Postposted on Thu May 09, 2013 8:27 am

flip-mode wrote:
Jigar wrote:We both are speculating here, if the architecture is efficient, even 100 steam processor based Radeon can beat Titan. All i did here was passed on the information that was published on techpowerup. :)

Yeah, I know. I was being a tad bitchy, in part because AMD is more often than not really good at promises and really bad at delivery.


So how does Rory Read et. al. address the execution issues?
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Re: AMD's Answer to GeForce GTX 700 Series: Volcanic Islands

Postposted on Thu May 09, 2013 8:32 am

We have yet to witness that. To be fair to Rory et. al., we have to be realistic about the time frame for change. When a new CEO comes in, the first thing he has to do is take care of processes that are already in motion. The processes the new CEO initiates are probably not seen by customers for at least a year.
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