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Airmantharp · Sun May 26, 2013 12:01 pm

DeadOfKnight wrote:
CityEater wrote:
To be honest I think the biggest thing holding this back are the lack of quality "wing display" monitors available. The 5 year old dells seem the best and well, good luck finding them.

What happened to AMD releasing their "dissimilar display panning" that they had going in January? I haven't noticed it roll out in CCC yet?

They still have them for sale on the dell store and where did you hear about AMD doing that?

We've been hearing promises off and on for years now, but I missed any word in January, so I'd like to know too!

Sad part is, I have a pair of 20" panels that would fit perfectly to the sides of my 30", if Nvidia would support pushing games across them. For now, they're stacked landscape on a stand and used as extra desktop space.

DeadOfKnight · Sun May 26, 2013 12:24 pm

Airmantharp wrote:
DeadOfKnight wrote:
CityEater wrote:
To be honest I think the biggest thing holding this back are the lack of quality "wing display" monitors available. The 5 year old dells seem the best and well, good luck finding them.

What happened to AMD releasing their "dissimilar display panning" that they had going in January? I haven't noticed it roll out in CCC yet?

They still have them for sale on the dell store and where did you hear about AMD doing that?

We've been hearing promises off and on for years now, but I missed any word in January, so I'd like to know too!

Sad part is, I have a pair of 20" panels that would fit perfectly to the sides of my 30", if Nvidia would support pushing games across them. For now, they're stacked landscape on a stand and used as extra desktop space.

This would make me very happy, but it wouldn't make my wallet quite so happy, heh.

CityEater · Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:19 am

I saw it here

http://www.legitreviews.com/news/14823/

and mentioned in a couple of other places at the time in conjunction with the vaporous displayport hub. Not dx compatible and not eyefinity but a step in the right direction. I didn't realize the dell 20's were still on the market, thanks for the heads up. I wouldn't have thought this was all that difficult to implement (game support is a different story) I guess it just isnt a priority.

Theoretically, if you really had to have it you may be able to use Warpilizer, but $500 for software might be a bitter pill.

http://89.221.244.58/~univisua/

On the other hand, $1800 for the Dell 3014 is already pretty sick so maybe you wont feel it at that point.

DeadOfKnight · Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:03 am

CityEater wrote:
I saw it here

http://www.legitreviews.com/news/14823/

and mentioned in a couple of other places at the time in conjunction with the vaporous displayport hub. Not dx compatible and not eyefinity but a step in the right direction. I didn't realize the dell 20's were still on the market, thanks for the heads up. I wouldn't have thought this was all that difficult to implement (game support is a different story) I guess it just isnt a priority.

Theoretically, if you really had to have it you may be able to use Warpilizer, but $500 for software might be a bitter pill.

http://89.221.244.58/~univisua/

On the other hand, $1800 for the Dell 3014 is already pretty sick so maybe you wont feel it at that point.

The only thing is the colors are a bit off if you get a newer one. You can even tell the temperature is different on them in the 3rd picture of OP's first post. I wonder if you can't still get your hands on an old 3007. But that's not as important as pixel pitch which is basically same on all of them so it's not a big deal. I imagine you can pretty much eliminate that issue with a little calibration of the displays.

CityEater · Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:34 am

Seems a shame to have two 6bit monitors either side with a 12bit one. Again I think a lack of quality side displays is a major limiting factor (the dells at least offering one option).
This may change if these new sharp panels have any impact but its been two or three years since I've seen this floated around as a feature request and it hasn't happened so it may be down to either a third party option or perhaps (big perhaps) AMD might introduce it as a "new" feature in their next generation of GPU's.
Spitballing, some of these quad hd tv/monitor panels that are in the works might be able to be sliced down in interesting ways. If support software like Hydravision was a bit more mature you might get a similar result from a single 21:9 display made from a chopped down 40 inch or 38 inch panel.
The existing 29 inch 21:9 are too small and too low res for my liking (but well priced).
3840 :1080 anyone?
Unlikely sadly and probably not ideal in a world of un ideal options. Such a small fragment of a tiny portion of people gaming out there but we're not alone
http://www.robertsspaceindustries.com/f ... lease-read
again though until there are good hardware solutions its all moot point.

We can dream though, we can dream...

DeadOfKnight · Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:48 am

Well a PLP setup is more or less just a dream setup for me. I've been leaning more and more toward just getting a 27" 1440p monitor and using my current monitor beside it for easy desktop access. It's just too much of an investment with no end in sight when it comes to actually supporting a configuration like this one. I mean, maybe if it just worked and everything played together perfectly right now I might drop my money on it, but as it stands I don't want to spend that kind of money to just wait and see what happens. I know it brings more benefits than just triple screen gaming, but triple screen gaming is exactly what I'm looking for in a setup like this. 3 widescreen monitors is just too wide not to mention expensive since a 4MP main display is a must-have for me.

Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:50 am

DeadOfKnight wrote:
3 widescreen monitors is just too wide.

You could arrange them P-P-P. :wink:

DeadOfKnight · Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:00 pm

JustAnEngineer wrote:
DeadOfKnight wrote:
3 widescreen monitors is just too wide.
You could arrange them P-P-P.

Still too expensive when I need a 4MP, especially in portrait because then I would have to go 16:10. PPP with 16:9s just looks awful IMO.

Well I guess it's not so bad with very thin bezels, but it's still way too expensive. I can't go back to less than 1600 horizontal pixels on a display.

CityEater · Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:05 pm

JustAnEngineer wrote:
DeadOfKnight wrote:
3 widescreen monitors is just too wide.
You could arrange them P-P-P.

Yeah I must admit its something I've been meaning to try for awhile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TScvN8AU6WM

It just doesn't seem as useful for workstation tasks. Does look like fun though.

I wonder whether there are any good options for sale in the back alleys of Korea or China today.

I still love playing in three by landscape though, when it works well in a game its great.

DeadOfKnight · Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:19 pm

CityEater wrote:
JustAnEngineer wrote:
DeadOfKnight wrote:
3 widescreen monitors is just too wide.
You could arrange them P-P-P.

Yeah I must admit its something I've been meaning to try for awhile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TScvN8AU6WM

It just doesn't seem as useful for workstation tasks. Does look like fun though.

I wonder whether there are any good options for sale in the back alleys of Korea or China today.

I still love playing in three by landscape though, when it works well in a game its great.

Yeah but at that ratio you might as well just play on a 30", spend the same kind of money, get better frame rates, better pixel density, and eliminate the bezels altogether. It won't be as big but a 30" up close isn't exactly small, either.

Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:25 pm

CityEater wrote:
Yeah I must admit its something I've been meaning to try for awhile.

The video that you linked has three 1920x1080 TN LCD monitors. You'd be much better off with a single 4k (3840x2160) display. Putting TN LCD monitors into portrait orientation is just nasty.

DeadOfKnight · Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:37 pm

JustAnEngineer wrote:
CityEater wrote:
Yeah I must admit its something I've been meaning to try for awhile.
The video that you linked has three 1920x1080 TN LCD monitors. You'd be much better off with a single 4k (3840x2160) display. Putting TN LCD monitors into portrait orientation is just nasty.

Well the 4k will be more expensive, but a 40" might not be as bad as the 31.5 we've seen for $5,000. Like I said though, you'd honestly be better off with a 30" 2560x1600 if you're gonna sit that close to it.

TN = always bad unless you're a competitive pro twitch gamer (although everyone seems to think they are these days).

CityEater · Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:18 pm

I agree TN is never going to suit me but this guy is a bit of a multi monitor 120hz evangelist. Some of his setups have been frighteningly awesome. Those are, I think, 1440p TN monitors however. Check this one out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBj3RfMGOV0
Unfathomable amounts of money poured into these, including a 5P setup. The going trend for these types of extreme setups seems to be using the 3d function strobing effect of the back light to eliminate lcd blur.
Also from my experience TN panels have improved somewhat over the years and aren't as bad off angle as they once were (colour I don't know however). Might be fine from the right position in a dedicated gaming PC.
Not something I would invest in but I would love to see in action.
3P is very high res and the ratio offers a larger field of view inside games compared to a single 1600p or Quad HD at a smaller cost. I agree part of the appeal of these setups is an economic consideration (as crazy as that sounds) but you could get the same effect by sitting closer to a cropped 30" or larger, loses a lot of its effect though.
If 4k lands with any real adoption we might start to see the lines blurring between monitors and TV's even more.
Shame they'll largely be 16:9 and won't have the impact or real estate of eyefinity setups.

PLP is my ultimate setup aswell and I like the idea of working with desktop apps in this setup. I have difficulty going back to a single monitor, I'm so used to spreading everything out at this point. At least that 4k monitor is 10bit but 5 grand? Yeesh, On principle you would have to get a bigger one just to justify the price. 50" could work out as cheap down the road just because its a more competitive market for that size tv.
Serious big boys toys, makes the price of a Dell 3014 seem pedestrian.

Don't get me started on how useless a 4k tv is in the living room however...

Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:26 pm

Some 50" 4K (3840x2160) televisions are already on the market for under $1500.

CityEater · Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:19 pm

JustAnEngineer wrote:
Some 50" 4K (3840x2160) televisions are already on the market for under $1500.

Wow, I just googled that seiki, incredible. The race to the bottom for 4k seems to have started before the tvs are even readily available. I can't see any reviews but I don't imagine its a great picture, it just wins the pixels for dollars war. 120hz too. I don't know how they're doing it through HDMI. Chinese magic, looks like a good deal.
I wonder when Dell or HP are going to dip their toes into these markets or perhaps eizo.
How big is a 21:9 crop out of the middle of a 50" 16:9? Big enough...

Airmantharp · Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:02 pm

CityEater wrote:
JustAnEngineer wrote:
Some 50" 4K (3840x2160) televisions are already on the market for under $1500.

Wow, I just googled that seiki, incredible. The race to the bottom for 4k seems to have started before the tvs are even readily available. I can't see any reviews but I don't imagine its a great picture, it just wins the pixels for dollars war. 120hz too. I don't know how they're doing it through HDMI. Chinese magic, looks like a good deal.
I wonder when Dell or HP are going to dip their toes into these markets or perhaps eizo.
How big is a 21:9 crop out of the middle of a 50" 16:9? Big enough...

Remember that it's only 120Hz at 1080p- at 4k, it's 30Hz (I think 31Hz max). That's a product of current HDMI standards; it'd need DisplayPort to support 4k at even 60Hz.

Luckily, that's just a matter of electronics, and the panel itself seems decent for what you're getting. I'm looking forward to the second generation personally.

bhtooefr · Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:06 am

It's worth, on that Seiki panel, trying a custom mode. I'd try CVT-RB (designated as reduced blanking sometimes) at 38.636 Hz (you may need to use 38.64 to get your video mode tweaker to actually land on 38.636 - SwitchResX would interpret typing in 38.636 as 38.63, and pick a lower refresh rate from there).

HDMI 1.3+ has enough bandwidth to do that, and that'll give you a much better refresh rate than the stock 30 if it works.

The other thing is seeing if there's an undocumented side-by-side mode, and running it as a dual 1920x2160 monitor at 60 Hz. That's well within the limits of HDMI 1.3+. (There is also a dual-link HDMI, but it's not actually used in anything, sadly.)

Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:19 am

CityEater wrote:
JustAnEngineer wrote:
Some 50" 4K (3840x2160) televisions are already on the market for under $1500.

Wow, I just googled that seiki, incredible. The race to the bottom for 4k seems to have started before the tvs are even readily available. I can't see any reviews but I don't imagine its a great picture, it just wins the pixels for dollars war. 120hz too. I don't know how they're doing it through HDMI. Chinese magic, looks like a good deal.
I wonder when Dell or HP are going to dip their toes into these markets or perhaps eizo.
How big is a 21:9 crop out of the middle of a 50" 16:9? Big enough...

http://www.pcper.com/news/General-Tech/ ... nd-Preview

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-C ... esolutions

CityEater · Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:40 am

Hmm, yeah second gen is probably worth waiting for. As a computer monitor 30hz just won't cut it. Or 38hz. I can't find any PQ reviews, they all just go on and on about the resolution. The false 120hz would drive me nuts.
I think we're stuck with 3rd party hardware/software tools or hacks for PLP in the foreseeable future. Something like this works in DX11
http://www.datapath.co.uk/products/mult ... atapath-x4
but they're probably painfully expensive.
Dell's half year sale is on the 3014 at the moment (at least here in Aus), very tempting but I'm more of an all at once guy and if I were to bite the bullet I think it would have to be the trio or bust. I'm not sure what the 20 inchers are down to.
You have to think at some point some one will develop a cheap piece of software to do this. I mean I know nothing about programming but is this Mt Everest to achieve?
I wonder if anyone will cut those Quad HD panels in half for 1920:2160? Hard to justify I guess... and even harder to drive a PLP setup with a pair of those.

When do the Radeons go full loop and release a 9800 series card again? 2015? Probably still wouldn't be up to it.

At least some new interesting displays are beginning to hit the market, that's something right? Green-sum must have shaken the nest a bit.

kamikaziechameleon · Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:16 am

DeadOfKnight wrote:
kamikaziechameleon wrote:
I currently have a totally different though inspired triple monitor setup. I have my old dell 24 1920x1200 in portrait mode with the 30" 2560x1600 in the middle and the asus 24" 1080p monitor on the right side. The asus is the perfect media monitor, the 24" dell is a great spreadsheet or blog reading monitor, and the dell 30" is just perfect for everything and some gaming. The issue though is the setup looks real janky. I think a PLP is the best of all worlds.

The one thing I'm not sure of is what would I really need the third monitor for? Being stuck on one monitor for so long has made it clear what I can do if I get a second one. It would be really nice to have easy access to my desktop at all times, but a third? What do I need a third one for? I know I WANT a third monitor, but that's just because it LOOKS cool to have a monitor on each side.

Going from one to 2 was an INSANE improvement. I currently use my 3 monitors a ton when in development mode. If you aren't a developer of any kind or content creator who works in that environment I say get a dell 30 or a 4k display and call it a day.

CityEater · Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:50 pm

A third can also be used off axis as a lot of things operate better in portrait, A lot of office workers I know have a secondary monitor in portrait now for sending emails and looking at the web. Do you need it? Probably not but its handy if you have the desk space. Maybe the prevalence of tablets ( at least in my world) has made people used to using screens in portrait I don't know.

kamikaziechameleon · Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:28 pm

Imagine a PLP setup with perhaps a 40" 4K and flanking Dell 30" monitors! OMG that would be crazy!

bhtooefr · Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:58 pm

To do it right, on a 16:10 center monitor (16:9 would be even worse), you'd need a 48" center, at 4096x2560.

4096x2560 is not common at all, and this is the biggest display I know of that will do it: http://www.techspot.com/news/44353-364- ... 36000.html Edit: Durr. That's 2160 (16:9), not 2560 (16:10).

If $36k is too rich for your blood, you can get a 4096x2560 greyscale 29.6" display for about $10k.

Airmantharp · Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:13 pm

It doesn't have to be perfect to be useful- we still can't run games across monitors with different resolutions properly (for some silly reason GPU vendors won't admit to).

But take my example- I have a 27.5" 1920x1200 in landscape on the left side 90 degrees from my primary seating position, a pair of 20" 1600x900 stacked vertically in landscape (one inverted) on the left of my 30", the 30" 2560x1600 dead ahead in landscape, and then a 20" 1600x1200 on the right in portrait. The 30" is level with the 20" on the right and centered on the 20"ers on the left, while the 27.5"er is centered on the bottom left 20"er.

This arrangement in Display Properties matches the physical setup quite well and is very natural to use, in Windows 7, 8, and 8.1. I'll get a picture when I get the setup fully cleaned off, need to give my 14mm lens and flash some work

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DeadOfKnight · Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:25 pm

Airmantharp wrote:
I'll get a picture when I get the setup fully cleaned off, need to give my 14mm lens and flash some work .

You've been saying that for a long time now. I'm starting to wonder if the camera is a lie.

Airmantharp · Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:36 pm

Camera's real, but my interest in getting something presentable for a 20MP sensor isn't

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DeadOfKnight · Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:57 am

I think this question is harder to answer because nothing matches the size and pixel pitch quite the same as this setup, but let's say I decided to go with a 27" 2560x1440 display such as a U2713HM or PB278Q and just wanted a secondary display for desktop access, what would be the ideal companion monitor to go alongside it?

Airmantharp · Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:11 am

DeadOfKnight wrote:
I think this question is harder to answer because nothing matches the size and pixel pitch quite the same as this setup, but let's say I decided to go with a 27" 2560x1440 display such as a U2713HM or PB278Q and just wanted a secondary display for desktop access, what would be the ideal companion monitor to go alongside it?

Anything. Only two of my five monitors match, because they're the same model. Different PPIs don't bother me at all.

mikepers · Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:34 pm

I've been doing multi-monitor for a while. I started with a couple of CTX CRT monitors way back. Then went to two Dell 1800FP's. Then added a 20" Dell 2005FP in the middle of those.

More recently I went for a center Dell U2410 center and a Dell 2007FP to the left. (current setup) I might add one more 2007FP for the right I think.

Friend of mine did three 2007FP's a few years back. That's still a very nice setup.

Personally I wouldn't do three 24" monitors as I think the desktop ends up being too wide. I don't think I'd even go bigger than 24" on the center monitor. But that's just my preference.

I don't do any multi-monitor gaming. I just like having the extra desktop real estate so I can have multiple windows open.

One thing I think is worth mentioning is the software "Ultramon". It gives you great control over the desktop setup. It enables you to quickly enable/disable the extra monitors. Helps with creating and applying multi-monitor wallpapers. etc. etc. Bought it back when I first started doing multi-monitors. The developer continues to maintain and upgrade it. Well worth the price if you ask me.

kamikaziechameleon · Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:24 am

Strange questions slightly off topic but does the Nvidia 3D surround work on any 2560x1600 monitors or only one 1080p TN panels?

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