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Airmantharp wrote:I would get on to Cooler Master for making a case with mounts that aren't immediately suitable for use with common integrated water-coolers, if that is indeed the case. I didn't have any trouble installing an H60 in my Define R3 on the rear 120mm mount, but I understand that not all cases are made with the same component selection in mind.
Airmantharp wrote:Sure; we got all that.
So I'll add this, which I skipped the first time: It sounds like you're trying to mount the H60 with the radiator to the case panel and then the fan to the radiator, so that the fan blows through the radiator and out of the case. This is logical, but it is not how Corsair recommends the H60 be mounted. The manual shows that the fan should instead (if this is not what you're doing) be sandwiched between the radiator and the case, set as an intake, so that it is always pulling cold air in and pushing it through the radiator.
Again, not logical, and not even optimal, but it is what they recommend and it is what they ship mounting hardware for.
JustAnEngineer wrote:I suppose that there's no hardware store anywhere near you? You're talking about fairly common machine screws. You can buy them in whatever length you like for pennies each.
Nec_V20 wrote:JustAnEngineer wrote:I suppose that there's no hardware store anywhere near you? You're talking about fairly common machine screws. You can buy them in whatever length you like for pennies each.
In the United States, not however in the United Kingdom....
Wow, really? That's insane
Nec_V20 wrote:JustAnEngineer wrote:In the United States, not however in the United Kingdom. The only chance I would have of getting screws of the type I need would perhaps be in a assortment offered by Maplins.I suppose that there's no hardware store anywhere near you? You're talking about fairly common machine screws. You can buy them in whatever length you like for pennies each.
JustAnEngineer wrote:Nec_V20 wrote:JustAnEngineer wrote:In the United States, not however in the United Kingdom. The only chance I would have of getting screws of the type I need would perhaps be in a assortment offered by Maplins.I suppose that there's no hardware store anywhere near you? You're talking about fairly common machine screws. You can buy them in whatever length you like for pennies each.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_nos ... -32+screws
Two quid looks cheap enough.
Nec_V20 wrote:I don't know which bright spark at Corsair came up with that idea. And this is not my first time at the Corsair watercooling rodeo, I have had a Corsair H80 in a push/pull configuration in my CoolerMaster HAF X exhausting air out of the case running 24/7 for 959 days 9 hours now and my CPU temps are still quite satisfactory thank you.
If I had installed it the way that Corsair recommends I would have had to remove it numerous times (I reckon at least ten times) to clean out the clogged veins resulting from sucking in the dust, pollen etc. from the ambient air. Guess how long it would take before the advantages of sucking in the cooler air from outside the chassis would be offset by the blowing out the warmer from inside the casing when the radiator is clogged with gunk with greatly reduced heat exchange from using the water cooler as a vacuum cleaner.
I have had two spine operations and I have spinal arthritis, so the ambient room temperature where I live and work does not have "cold air". I had originally thought of putting some mesh over the intake and operating the radiator with regard to the way that Corsair recommends but that would get clogged up even faster. I use my computer for work, not as a hobby or an objet d'art.
Why do you refer to yourself in the plural? Who do you speak for? I was after all replying directly to you.
JustAnEngineer wrote:Nec_V20 wrote:JustAnEngineer wrote:In the United States, not however in the United Kingdom. The only chance I would have of getting screws of the type I need would perhaps be in a assortment offered by Maplins.I suppose that there's no hardware store anywhere near you? You're talking about fairly common machine screws. You can buy them in whatever length you like for pennies each.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_nos ... -32+screws
Two quid looks cheap enough.
I was a bit cheesed off and not really happy with the way that I had to put the cooler into the case and it kept on bugging me. I was looking through the bags of various screws I have and I had a weird thought. It looked like the brass motherboard spacers had the right kind of thread.
Airmantharp wrote:...
Now, the complaint you raise about dust: this is directly related to your selection of enclosure and accessories, and reflects on your build schema. If you do not imagine that you need filters on every possible intake, then you should be expecting dust, it's as simple as that. I don't recommend Cooler Master cases often for this reason, as the cheap ones seem to be unfiltered which raises the total component cost to add filters, and the expensive ones aren't as good as the alternatives, in most situations.
For my part, I got damn tired of dust. It makes working on a system that has been up and running regularly a pain, and it gradually reduces the performance of all parts while reducing the lifetime of most of them, especially the fans. I can't imaging having an unfiltered intake on a performance-oriented computer that needs a lot of airflow. Cleaning filters is just so much faster and easier.
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rookiebeotch wrote:I keep my case on the floor of my bedroom, and in all that dust, I can proudly say that I have never once cleaned the inside of the case in the 4 years since I built it and it is spotless.
Airmantharp wrote:Nec_V20 wrote:I don't know which bright spark at Corsair came up with that idea ....
I'm not trying to be rude; please don't take it that way. I've read your posts and feel that you have a lot of experience that can add to this forum, and that is one of the reasons I responded in this thread.
Now, the complaint you raise about dust: this is directly related to your selection of enclosure and accessories, and reflects on your build schema. If you do not imagine that you need filters on every possible intake, then you should be expecting dust, it's as simple as that. I don't recommend Cooler Master cases often for this reason, as the cheap ones seem to be unfiltered which raises the total component cost to add filters, and the expensive ones aren't as good as the alternatives, in most situations.
For my part, I got damn tired of dust. It makes working on a system that has been up and running regularly a pain, and it gradually reduces the performance of all parts while reducing the lifetime of most of them, especially the fans. I can't imaging having an unfiltered intake on a performance-oriented computer that needs a lot of airflow. Cleaning filters is just so much faster and easier.
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WRT to my writing style: I prefer not to refer to myself if at all possible, and instead strive to write in a detached 'third person' perspective, because it isn't all about me; I tend to use my own experiences as examples only as a last resort when I'm really trying to prove a point, but it is much quicker to speak from experience when I've already gone down that road and hit all of the potholes and gotten stuck in all of the ruts .
Khali wrote:It isn't only Corsair that needs to add more hardware to their installation kits, all manufacturers do. Until we can get a common set of standards in the PC industry, for mounting CPU coolers among other things, its going to go on like this and each aftermarket manufacturer is going to have to come up with kits for AMD and Intel CPU's/Motherboards.
The Imperial versus Metric units of measure does not help. You had issues because you needed Imperial screws and I generally have the same issue only I can't find the right Metric bits of hardware here in the States. 95% of the world is using the Metric system now, its about time that the United States, Liberia, and Burma did the same. Tell you what, we will go metric if England and the rest of the few countries that drive on the left hand side of the road switch to the right side like every one else.
Airmantharp wrote:Khali wrote:It isn't only Corsair that needs to add more hardware to their installation kits, all manufacturers do. Until we can get a common set of standards in the PC industry, for mounting CPU coolers among other things, its going to go on like this and each aftermarket manufacturer is going to have to come up with kits for AMD and Intel CPU's/Motherboards.
The Imperial versus Metric units of measure does not help. You had issues because you needed Imperial screws and I generally have the same issue only I can't find the right Metric bits of hardware here in the States. 95% of the world is using the Metric system now, its about time that the United States, Liberia, and Burma did the same. Tell you what, we will go metric if England and the rest of the few countries that drive on the left hand side of the road switch to the right side like every one else.
We use the metric system all of the time in the US. We just throw a bunch of other random crap in there too. It keeps us on our toes!
joselillo_25 wrote:
JohnC wrote:He is saying that he is using an empty case from some ointment and power supply cables to "secure" the waterblock on top of CPU
Usacomp2k3 wrote:When I had mine, I actually mounted the fan outside the case (with a fan grill) and sandwiched the metal top of the case between the fan and radiator. Didn't look all that great, but there was alot more room to work with inside by getting the 120mm fan out of the case.