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full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:46 am

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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:58 am

I believe you need to look up reviews for the FX 6200, the 6300 if I remember correctly was as simple bump up after the 6200 came out. This means more reviews will look at that chip, and you may have a better time finding what you are looking for. However, being honest overall I don't really care about the review. It really is not difficult looking at their 8 core processors and understanding it will be "like that but worse".
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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:00 am

You know what else would be nice? If there was a single AM3+ mini-itx board available. Looks like you have to go Trinity/Richland if you want mini-ITX with AMD. And even then, options are next to none.
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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:24 am

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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:30 pm

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If there was a single AM3+ mini-itx board available. Looks like you have to go Trinity/Richland if you want mini-ITX with AMD.
given the thermals of the FX line.... how would that be a good thing?

small mobo, small case, FX 8350 running at 5ghz ='s melted mobo.


Because there are plenty of 95W TDP FX CPUs out there which should be fine in such an enclosure as long as one pays proper attention to cooling? The FX-6300 is a good example. A $120 6 core ~4GHz CPU that would make for a great budget desktop with a ~$100 graphics card. But this is only possible in micro ATX or ATX. Kind of a shame not to have the option. Ivy Bridge I5s have a TDP of about 80 watts. Not so far off. Do you think those recent enthusiast oriented Z77 mini itx boards are intended for i3s only? I think the real reason is probably something to do with the lack of on-die graphics on the FX chips. Seems like that is an industry requirement for mini-itx form factor...
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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:32 pm

cynan wrote:
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If there was a single AM3+ mini-itx board available. Looks like you have to go Trinity/Richland if you want mini-ITX with AMD.
given the thermals of the FX line.... how would that be a good thing?

small mobo, small case, FX 8350 running at 5ghz ='s melted mobo.


Because there are plenty of 95W TDP FX CPUs out there which should be fine in such an enclosure as long as one pays proper attention to cooling? The FX-6300 is a good example. A $120 6 core ~4GHz CPU that would make for a great budget desktop with a ~$100 graphics card. But this is only possible in micro ATX or ATX. Kind of a shame not to have the option. Ivy Bridge I5s have a TDP of about 80 watts. Not so far off. Do you think those recent enthusiast oriented Z77 mini itx boards are intended for i3s only? I think the real reason is probably something to do with the lack of on-die graphics on the FX chips. Seems like that is an industry requirement for mini-itx form factor...


That's got to have something to do with it. The only AM3+ northbridge chips with iGPUs offer Radeon HD 3000s and 4250s - not just outdated, but officially unsupported and no longer getting AMD-furnished driver updates anywhere.
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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:54 pm

I found this small review after a quick search that that show a little of the performance a fx6300 piledriver sorta 6 core does at 5.0 ghz. Note that you will need a good mother board along with a healthy cooler to get that speed out of a chip "if the chip has it in it"
I wonder if a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO will have the Muscle to keep it cool at 5.0ghz since the CPU will probaly be pulling a easy 200watts at 5.0 ghz. Also I think AMD's temp sensore are not nearly as accurate as Intels.....I think they are calibrated to show like 20c cooler then they really are since most reviews show low temps for such a high TDP CPU. Other jerbils feel free to correct me or go along with my last statement :)

Looks like a decent performing cpu for the Money.

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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:10 pm

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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:24 am

I would suggest Anandtech's Bench utility. It won't tell you power consumption or OC info, but at least you can roughly compare many CPUs.
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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:40 am

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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:00 pm

They aren't OC'd results, but here are a few openbenchmarking.org results including the FX-6300: http://openbenchmarking.org/result/1306 ... 211056GR22
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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:09 pm

I'd love to see a proper review, there's plenty of buzz on forums about the FX-6300
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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:30 pm

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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:29 am

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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:58 am

My Johnson wrote:Actual power consumption is vastly different from the TDP's. See here.


This.

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95W for the FX6300 suggests it would use 11W more than the 84W i7-4770k, but it actually uses a LOT more. I know because I just helped a friend build an FX6300 rig.
Also, lol @ the "65W" A10-6700 pulling over 120W under load. :roll:
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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:07 pm

matdem1 wrote:TECHSPOT does a nice review here:

http://www.techspot.com/review/586-amd-fx-8350-fx-6300/


I can't take TECHSPOT seriously: They max out the graphical settings on the gaming tests and then comment that there's not much difference between processors in the results. /facepalm.

As much as I want AMD to do well, reviews like this always highlight one glaring issue: Their older "stars" architecture used in the PhenomII is just waaaaaaaaaay better at most things compared against Bulldozer/Piledriver. Look at clockspeeds and core count and the Phenom II X4 is typically ahead of the FX-4xxx. Likewise, the Phenom II X6 frequently beats the FX-6xxx in tests.
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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:21 pm

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matdem1 wrote:TECHSPOT does a nice review here:

http://www.techspot.com/review/586-amd-fx-8350-fx-6300/


I can't take TECHSPOT seriously: They max out the graphical settings on the gaming tests and then comment that there's not much difference between processors in the results. /facepalm.

As much as I want AMD to do well, reviews like this always highlight one glaring issue: Their older "stars" architecture used in the PhenomII is just waaaaaaaaaay better at most things compared against Bulldozer/Piledriver. Look at clockspeeds and core count and the Phenom II X4 is typically ahead of the FX-4xxx. Likewise, the Phenom II X6 frequently beats the FX-6xxx in tests.


well i wouldn't be that harsh on techspot's cpu reviews. i myself don't think there's anything wrong with their methodologies. are you going to play on low or medium settings? if not, then why even bother with those settings? same goes for cpu gaming benchmarks under 1080p, its utterly useless as majority of gamers are using 1080p or higher. synthetic benchmarking and low-gpu settings for cpu benchies are way waaaaayyyy overrated bro.
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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:16 pm

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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:34 pm

Chrispy_ wrote:I can't take TECHSPOT seriously: They max out the graphical settings on the gaming tests and then comment that there's not much difference between processors in the results. /facepalm.

As much as I want AMD to do well, reviews like this always highlight one glaring issue: Their older "stars" architecture used in the PhenomII is just waaaaaaaaaay better at most things compared against Bulldozer/Piledriver. Look at clockspeeds and core count and the Phenom II X4 is typically ahead of the FX-4xxx. Likewise, the Phenom II X6 frequently beats the FX-6xxx in tests.


Except the FX 6xxx isn't the top of the model line. The FX 8xxx's are.
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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:52 pm

Why wouldn't you just go with a 8320 and then downclock it / undervolt it to whatever you want? My 8350 for instance can be undervolted with stock clocks. For the price you can pay for a 8320 or 8350 when on sale (I saw a 8320 for $145 on Newegg last week), all the lower end Vishera models don't really make sense. Eventually you run into their APU territory and it's better off switching to them.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819113285

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My Johnson wrote:Actual power consumption is vastly different from the TDP's. See here.


This.

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95W for the FX6300 suggests it would use 11W more than the 84W i7-4770k, but it actually uses a LOT more. I know because I just helped a friend build an FX6300 rig.
Also, lol @ the "65W" A10-6700 pulling over 120W under load. :roll:


Mr Jihad those numbers include the rest of the systems power consumption.

We used a Yokogawa WT210 digital power meter to capture power use over a span of time. The meter reads power use at the wall socket, so it incorporates power use from the entire system—the CPU, motherboard, memory, graphics solution, hard drives, and anything else plugged into the power supply unit. (The monitor was plugged into a separate outlet.) We measured how each of our test systems used power across a set time period, during which time we encoded a video with x264.
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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:28 am

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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:52 pm

Bensam123 wrote:Mr Jihad those numbers include the rest of the systems power consumption.


I guess I'm wrong to blame it all on the CPU, but I'm looking more at the comparison with Intel's chips.

From the same page:
Despite having a TDP rating of 65W, the A10-6700 system draws 48W more power while executing our test workload than our 55W Core i3-3225 system. In fact, it pulls more juice than a whole collection of configs based on Intel desktop CPUs with TDP ratings of 77W and 84W. At least the 6700 is a bit of an advance over AMD's own A10-5800K.


It doesn't change the fact that AMD's CPUs seem to draw considerably more than their rated TDP. There isn't really much fluff in the testbed platform. If we give memory, chipset and storage a generous 23W (From the idle power. Let's generously assume the CPU draws zero of that and everything is down to the platform), the "65W" chip would still pulling over its rated TDP.
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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:00 pm

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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:53 pm

For anybody making claims about the "rest of the system" when looking at power draws for the 6700, go look at the rest of the review more carefully. The 6700 platform actually has *lower* idle power draw than any of the other systems (igp 6700 beats igp 4770K by about 4 watts actually). Using the 6700 (igp mode) in a CPU heavy task where there's nothing else going on makes you wonder what else is drawing all that power.. I doubt it's the RAM using that much juice.

Here's the TR graphs of the idle vs. load powers:

IDLE:
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LOAD:
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Look at the delta for the IGP 6700:
Idle: 23 watts (best score on the chart BTW)
Load: 103 watts (higher than the 4770K with a discrete GPU by 1 watt now, and 16 watts higher than the IGP 4770K under load)

Delta: 80 watts.
But But BUt... you say that there are other things than the CPU that take up power.
Well that's technically true, but let's do some overly favorable estimation in favor of AMD here:
1. Assume that the 6700 uses literally zero power at idle. We're talking idle power draw that's better than your smartphone here.
2. Assume the 6700 gets right up to that 65 watt power draw when railed with x264.
3. So: 80 watt observed power delta - 65 watts used by the CPU = 15 watts.
4. So, when the CPU is being railed, the rest of the platform is using 15 + 23 = 38 watts to do... what exactly?
-- It's MEMORY!! Well, if it is, then the RAM must be using just about zero power at idle just like our miraculous CPU to show a delta that big. Once again, the other platforms are using RAM too, why is the delta so big for the 6700?
-- It's Disk!! Really? The other platforms used the same storage you know. Once again, why is the delta that much bigger than the max TDP for a clearly CPU-bound task?

5. As soon as you start raising the idle power of the CPU, the delta starts to get even harder to explain than what we have above. Question: How many systems other than the 6700 and 6800K have power deltas that are actually larger than the TDP of the corresponding chip in those graphs?
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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:45 pm

chuckula wrote:5. As soon as you start raising the idle power of the CPU, the delta starts to get even harder to explain than what we have above. Question: How many systems other than the 6700 and 6800K have power deltas that are actually larger than the TDP of the corresponding chip in those graphs?


That's a great way to break it down, thanks for going through all that.

I feel like I've been ignoring AMD's idle power usage vs. load power usage since I tend to pigeonhole AMD's products due to their performance relative to Intel's, pretty much across the board, and I especially tend to ignore them at market where I'm personally interested in at either end of the performance spectrum.

And I think these results can be taken more than one way; in a sense, they're good, as AMD seems to be able to provide parts that reach relatively low idle power usage rates, and they're obviously also sub-optimal compared to relevant Intel parts because they use so much more power under load to get the same job done.
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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:02 pm

AMD's use of the TDP is deceptive, remember it stands for Thermal DESIGN power.

a 95W TDP for an Intel chip means that it will probably never use more than 95W unless overclocked. They've interpreted TDP as "peak power used when fully-loaded"
a 95W TDP for an AMD chip means that they've designed it to use 95W at average workloads. At higher workloads it will either get hotter and throttle, or take advantage of the cooling performance available and suck down more juice.

It's pretty freaking obvious that AMD chips constantly exceed their TDPs under load. You can get that from reading pretty much any review (not just the TR ones) that cover power consumption.
As mentioned, the power deltas between CPU(idle) and CPU(load) are way too big, sometimes larger than the entire TDP rating of the chip.
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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:26 pm

It certainly makes them look good on the spec sheet. Maybe all those APU notebooks with throttling problems are a result of engineers following that haha funny "ThDePo". ;)
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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:15 pm

There's only three reasons to consider the FX 6300 or greater AMD CPU. Cheap multi-threaded performance, you already have an AM3+ motherboard and a crimped budget, or you live in a cold climate and don't mind the extra heat.

Tom's Hardware under-clocked the 8350 and the power savings wasn't large enough to justify it outside of the reasons listed above.
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Re: full FX 6300 review including overclocking... anyone?

Postposted on Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:35 pm

I posted a review of the 8350 and 6300 last year. I was able to overclock the 6300 to 4.4 GHz. I think with better BIOS support that we have now, it will go higher: http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors ... eaks-Cover
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