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Building my Dream Machine! Questions & Suggestions

Postposted on Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:47 pm

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So I've come across a decent amount of money to burn. All the bills and credits are paid off, the savings is steadily climbing. I've always always always wanted to build my own PC and make it a beast. I have never built my own PC before, but I've been doing lots and lots and lots of online reading, watching of youtube videos, and I think with a little bit of support from your community and others, I'll be ready to take on the task! I'm going to post the build as I have it so far, along with some comments and questions I have underneath each part. Anyone who's willing to take the time to read through and help, I would be extremely grateful! I'm not rushing to hit that "purchase" button for these parts until I've got all my P's and Q's in order.

So here it is.. I've added links from newegg for each product because it seems to be the best reference site. Doesn't mean I won't buy those items from other sites if I see a better sale when the time comes to purchase.

Processor:

*Original Consideration: Intel Core i7-3930K Sandy Bridge-E 3.2GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 2011 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor BX80619i73930K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116492&CMP=OTC-TechReport&ATT=19-116-492&nm_mc=OTC-TechReport&cm_mmc=OTC-TechReport-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA
- $569.99

*New Consideration: Intel Core i7-4770K Haswell 3.5GHz LGA 1150 84W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646I74770K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116901&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10487648&PID=1800524&SID=
- $339.99

Notes: I've been told that newer games coming out will be able to utilize more then 4 cores. If this ends up being the case for Battlefield 4, I will lean towards the 6 Core Setup. I've been trying to find confirmation online if this will be the case.

CPU Cooler:

*Original Consideration: CORSAIR Hydro Series H100i Water Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181032
-$99.99

*New Consideration: NZXT Kraken X60 RL-KRX60-01 280mm Ultra Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6835146028
-$107.99

Notes: So will i need to buy added fans for these? I'm somewhat confused how that setup would look like. I'd like to look into overclocking my system and understand I'll need adequate cooling if I tend to do so.

Motherboard:

*Original Consideration: GIGABYTE GA-X79-UP4 LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128562&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&PageSize=10&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&IsFeedbackTab=true#scrollFullInfo
-$239.99

*New Consideration: ASUS GRYPHON Z87 LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 uATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131977
-$169.99

Notes: I put the ASUS as the new consideration because I like the idea of the memory I'm looking at and i think it will tie in very well with the "other" GPU too. I know you guys think 32gb memory is unneeded.

Memory:

*Original Consideration: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-1866C9Q-32GXM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231616&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&PageSize=10&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&IsFeedbackTab=true#scrollFullInfo
-$289.99

*New Consideration: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-1866C9D-16GXM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231615
-$139.99

Notes: I've went with the 16GB (2x8GB) Because not only can I add 2 more if I choose, But I've read it is easier to OC 2 8's easier then 4 4's.

Graphics Card:

*Original Consideration: -MSI N780-3GD5 GeForce GTX 780 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127740
-$649.99

Updated Consideration:MSI Gaming N780 TF 3GD5/OC GeForce GTX 780 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127746
-$669.99

*New Consideration:Sapphire Radeon HD 7990 6GB DDR5 DVI-I/Quad Mini DP PCI-Express Game Edition Graphics Card 21207-00-50G
http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-PCI-Expr ... B00CJ4KALE
-$729.99

Notes: Time will tell if I start with 1 and buy a second later on, or just buy two off the bat. There's no reason why I can't wait to buy a second right? I'm still slightly confused why two video cards would help run a single game faster, but hey, if someone wants to dumb it down a tad I'd be grateful. I added the Sapphire Radeon HD as my new consideration because I wanted to know what you think about it. Not sure If I'd go x2 Sapphire Radeons even in the future. EDIT: I've read up some more on "SLI" and graphics cards sharing loads. Im seriously considering buying two GTX780's out of the gate. Don't you try to talk me down from my ledge!!! ;-)

Storage:

*Original Consideration: Seagate 600 Series ST480HM000 2.5" 480GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820248015
-$409.99

*New Consideration: SAMSUNG 840 Pro Series MZ-7PD512BW 2.5" 512GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... llFullInfo
$489.99

Notes: So I read somewhere that for gaming, that it would be better for two SSD's setup as RAID 1, than 1 SSD with two 3TB HD's setup at RAID1 supporting the 1 SSD. Can anyone sorta alleviate my possible misunderstand on this subject?

CD/DVD/BlueRAY:

-LG Black 14X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 5X DVD-RAM 12X BD-ROM 4MB Cache SATA BDXL Blu-Ray Burner with SW, 3D Play Back - BH14NS40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136249
-$99.00

Audio:

*Original Consideration: Creative Sound Blaster Recon3D Fatal1ty Champion (70SB135400000) 5.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Express x1 Interface Sound Card with Sound Blaster I/O
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102040
-$84.99

*New Consideration: Creative Sound Blaster Z Series ZXR (70SB151000000) PCI Express x1 Interface Sound Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102050
-$209.99

Notes: Opinions?

Listening Device:

*Original Consideration:-Astro Gaming A40 Quick Disconnect Connector Circumaural Wired Headset + MixAmp Pro - Black
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826306009
-$249.99 (bundle)

*New Consideration: SENNHEISER PC 350 SE 2 x 3.5 mm Connector Circumaural Headset - Black
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826106638
-$249.95

Notes: Ironically What I'm most torn between.

Power Supply:

*Original Consideration: -CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX850M 850W ATX12V v2.31 / EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Semi Modular High Performance Power Supply New 4th Gen CPU Certified Haswell Ready
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139029
-$119.99

*New Consideration: Gold or Platinum efficiency PSU?? - Still looking into this. Might need a little more info.

Monitor(s):

-ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms (GTG) HDMI Widescreen LED Backlight LCD 3D Monitor Height&pivot adjustable 350 cd/m2 80,000,000:1 Built-in Speakers
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236313
x2 -$269.99

Notes: After some research its a "Either Or" Thing. Either 144hz or "IPS" . I've read IPS is better for RPG games, while 144hz monitors is better for games like Battlefield. Since I'm leaning towards a build geared to games like Battlefield, I've decided to go with a 144hz Monitor. I would however like a 2 screen setup. Maybe 1 144hz and a second 24" IPS monitor? Would that work?


OS:

-Microsoft Windows 8 64-bit (Full Version) - OEM

CASE

Coolermaster HAF932
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811119160
159$

Roswill Thor V2 Black
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811147158
129.99

Notes: Both cases Sound great, always taking more suggestions though. Will have to double check to make sure my hardware can fit right.
* I don't smoke & my pets don't go in my gaming room. Thanks vargis14!

Fortress FT-02
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163214
$234.99

I Already have a mouse, But I'm taking suggestions on keyboards. Also, I'm still reading up on installing drivers, working with the BIOS to get everything running smoothly, ect. Not going to start anything or dive into anything Clunkinly like it seems some people who give these products horrible reviews do. Absolutely any advice, constructive criticism is welcome.!!

UPDATE: I Appreciate everyone's help so far. I'm getting excited about a lot of the secondary options I've listed. Saving money is always a plus, regardless of how much I say I have to "burn" ;-) .

Estimated Build Cost Original: $3,591.90

Estimated Build Cost Secondary: $3,334.90
Last edited by Vonhitz on Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:48 am, edited 6 times in total.
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Re: Building my Dream Machine! Questions & Suggestions

Postposted on Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:08 pm

Long list! I'll do a line-by-line:

CPU- wait for the 4000-series six-core
Cooler- depends on case, but that one is good; there are better ones out there, though
Motherboard- wait for the new CPUs
Memory- wait for the new CPUs, see how fast they can run memory with overclocking (faster means lower latency)
GPU- new ones coming, but the big deal is the new consoles shipping with 8GB of RAM, meaning that you'll want 6GB-8GB per GPU; also, AMD is still working on their drivers, and may be a much better value with the next generation
Storage- I don't really have a preference; all SSDs are fast. Recommend getting a moderately sized SSD (~250GB) and a large, fast storage drive, as you can run just the games that actually benefit from the SSD
Optical- sounds good, just remember that you'll have to pay the CyberLink tax to actually play movies
Audio- Sound Blaster Z rocks for games; don't worry about the higher-end ones
Headphones- skip the silly stuff and get some real cans, like the Sennheiser HD558's for example, but there are definitely other great choices depending on your style- I use the HD555's for the clarity and soundstage
PSU- sounds good; 850W is just the right kind of overkill for two high-end GPUs (I use a 650W unit with a pair of GTX670's)
Monitors- no point in getting two high-speed monitors; either get one, or get three- if you just want to get a second monitor, get a 27" 1440p panel
Case- do you want flashy, or understated? small or large? do you value silence? My go-to case is the Fractal Design Define R4, as it is quiet, flexible, and compact (I use the R3), but one of the best cases for air cooling (using an H80 for the CPU) is Silverstone's Fortress FT-02
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Re: Building my Dream Machine! Questions & Suggestions

Postposted on Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:20 pm

For a cooler you might want to look a the silverstone TD-02 240mm AIO water cooling system.....the built quality is amazing. A thing of beauty.Add 2 more fans for push pull and you can get the same or better cooling with less noise. Also no Plastic in the pump resivior head.
http://www.eteknix.com/silverstone-tund ... -review/6/

Over 2C cooler then a h100i overclocked its a degree hotter then X60 kraken 280mm rad setup.

I would also wait for the 6 core IVY bridge-E....it has a soldered on IHS/heatsink.

Also i think 32gb of memory would be plenty. Unless you need 64GB for some crazy reason.

Storage I would go for a 500gb or 1 TB SSD like the new samsung EVO.

For a motherboard make sure you get everything you will possibly need in one.

BTW what is the main purpose for the computer?

If you plan on playing games in 3D vision or nvidia surround 2 780's are much much better then one.

Headset for gaming with true 7.1 the razer Tiamat, that will work with a true 7.1 sound card.
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Re: Building my Dream Machine! Questions & Suggestions

Postposted on Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:13 pm

Vonhitz wrote: I've always wanted to build my own PC and make it a beast.
Welcome to the Tech Report!

Vonhitz wrote: Intel Core i7-3930K
Unless you know what applications that you're going to run that need more than 4 cores / 8 threads and 32GiB of memory, you might get better results for less money with Haswell (Core i7-4770K), than with Sandy-Bridge-E. Good LGA1150 motherboards with Z87 are priced better than LGA2011 X79 motherboards, too.

NOTE: Your purple text on the blue background is very hard to read.

Vonhitz wrote: G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 64GB (8 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL10Q2-64GBZL
That memory has CAS latency of 10 cycles. Look for 8 GiB DIMMs of PC3-12800 (DDR3-1600) or faster that run with CAS 9 or less at 1.5V or less. Start with two DIMMs for LGA1150 or four DIMMs for LGA2011. 2x8 GiB = 16 GiB total for LGA1150 with two slots free to double it in the future. 4x8 GiB = 32 GiB total for LGA2011 with four slots free to double it in the future. Note that the "Home" version of Windows 7 or 8 has a 16 GiB limit, so you want the "Professional" version of the operating system.

Vonhitz wrote: I've seen alot of "Oh hey, use 2 3TB or 4TB HD's as a RAID 1 or whatnot. I've been reading up on RAID 1, apparently I'd need two hard drives along with my SSD. Is it worth looking into? Suggestions?
Check out the 3.0 TB Seagate Barracuda 7200 drives for storing big stuff while using an SSD for your operating system and most performance-sensitive applications.

Vonhitz wrote: Creative Sound Blaster Recon3D Fatal1ty Champion (70SB135400000)
Check out the SoundBlaster Z, too.

Vonhitz wrote:Astro Gaming A40 Quick Disconnect Connector Circumaural Wired Headset
So-called "surround" headsets are a gimmick. Get a good set of stereo audio headphones.

Vonhitz wrote:CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX850M
Consider a Gold or Platinum efficiency PSU.

Vonhitz wrote:x2 ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz
I'd rather have an IPS 3840x2080, 2560x1600 or 2560x1440 display instead of a TN 1920x1080 display, but if you want to do stereoscopic 3D at a reasonable refresh rate, 120 Hz is warranted.
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Re: Building my Dream Machine! Questions & Suggestions

Postposted on Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:24 pm

Thanks for your input so far guys. To answer some of your questions, This computer is mainly for running the next couple years of games on Super uber settings with the best FPS possible. As for what I want in a case... I want everything to fit comfortably inside, I want something that's going to contribute to keeping my equipment cool , provide room for easy assembly and wire management, something sturdy that won't have pieces flying off. It doesn't have to be flashy with lights or anything. I'm trying to stay under that $4000 dollar price tag for this build, I'm willing to put a toe over it for performance though.

vargis14: Could you please provide a link for the pricing & selling of that " silverstone TD-02 240mm AIO water cooling system" I looked over the review site you linked and it looks worthy of consideration.

Motherboard, Memory, GPU: "Wait for better" Well, I have somewhat of a timeline in which I want to complete this by. Probably by Late October. With that in mind, will waiting pay off? Also, Will these new GPU's , 8 is better than 6 I'm sure, but do you by chance have any links or info on about how much they will cost. When it came to picking out my GPU, I probably read more reviews than any other item on this list. It seemed like everyone had a bunch of negativity about a majority of the ones I looked at.

vargis14: As for the 1TB Samsung SSD, I'm not quite sure I'm gonna be able to pay 600$-800$on it, which is what a little googling is leading me to believe it will cost.

Not planning on playing games in "3D" Vision .. more like playing games like Battlefield 4.

Airmantharp: when you say "Silly stuff" About the headphones, could you give me a little more detail. Sound quality is probably almost as important to me as video quality, and I'm going to be relying solely on headphones for sound ( so i can take the $$ I'd use for speakers and put it into a better pair) I want a really good 7.1 headphones and spent a considerable amount of time finding a soundcard that supports DDL and has a optical port. for the Astro gaming headset I picked out
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Re: Building my Dream Machine! Questions & Suggestions

Postposted on Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:20 pm

Unless you know what applications that you're going to run that need more than 4 cores / 8 threads and 32GiB of memory, you might get better results for less money with Haswell (Core i7-4770K), than with Sandy-Bridge-E. Good LGA1150 motherboards with Z87 are priced better than LGA2011 x79 boards, too.


Applications. Hrmm. Battlefield 4, Minecraft on highest settings with high end texture packs, Games coming soon called 7daystoDie, Rust, Starbound, GTA 5. I just want these games to run as smooth as possible with their settings on their highest and sound spectacular. Do you still suggest the Haswell? (is this the one your suggesting?: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116901.

That memory has CAS latency of 10 cycles. Look for 8 GiB DIMMs of PC3-12800 (DDR3-1600) or faster that run with CAS 9 or less at 1.5V or less. Start with two DIMMs for LGA1150 or four DIMMs for LGA2011.


So I was looking at the differences between LGA2011 and LGA1150 and reading some input about if i would really "need" LGA2011 for what Im looking for, and it seems like I don't. I'm not recording gameplay, rendering videos, or photoshopping it up. So if it's not going to help with the quality and smoothness of my gameplay, then I'll probably switch. With that said, what motherboard do you suggest for LGA 1150, 32GB of ram, ect.

G.SKILL Sniper Gaming Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9Q-32GSR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231610

So-called "surround" headsets are a gimmick. Get a good set of stereo audio headphones.


Do you have any stereo audio suggestions? I was reading something about "True 7.1 surround sound cards", would that be something to look into with stereo audio headphones?

I'd rather have an IPS 3840x2080, 2560x1600 or 2560x1440 display, but if you want to do stereoscopic 3D at a reasonable refresh rate, 120 Hz is warranted.


no, no steroscopic 3D. However, I was looking at youtube videos on comparisons of 60hz. 120hz. and 144hz monitors. the difference between 120hz and 144hz wasn't "Huge", but I mean, it looks like some worth investing in.

Check out the 3TB Seagate Barracuda 7200 drives.


Now when you say check them out.. would that be to look at purchasing 2 of them along with SSD for RAID 1? or did you have somehing else in mind?
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Re: Building my Dream Machine! Questions & Suggestions

Postposted on Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:30 pm

For the case- look closely at the Silverstone Fortress FT-02 I mentioned; it's designed for dual-GPU cooling, using either a tower cooler or integrated water-cooler for the CPU. Plenty of room for everything, and the best cooling on the market. Note that keeping the GPU's cool is the priority for noise control, which is the point of the Fortress FT-02 (there are other 'Fortress' cases).

If you're going to build in late October, buy in late October; but essentially, we're just saying to wait for the 'next generation' of the same parts you've listed for CPU, motherboard, and RAM. Price won't change.

With GPU's- there's a new generation coming, as mentioned, and there are driver issues being worked out right now that could affect your decision, along with new games that will be looking to make use of the increased graphics memory of the new consoles, and if you want to make use of the higher-quality settings you'll likely want to make sure that you have cards with 8GB of memory per GPU, something that doesn't exist in the market today. And that's not hard- the GPU makers just have to weld the memory onto the cards. There's just nothing that can use it, yet.

For storage- no SSD would be 'enough' today, and at the same time, very few things actually benefit from SSD performance, including many games. That's why I suggested the two drive approach- you can grab a ~250GB SSD and a 3TB or 4TB 7200RPM drive; install all games to the spinner, then move the ones that could use the speedup (count on BF4, BF3 certainly does) over; it's seem-less.

If you're not using 3D Vision, that's cool (I wouldn't use it either), and I understand the desire to run a higher-refresh display (I want one too), but make sure you test that before you buy. There's a lot to be said for the nicer IPS monitors.

If you're set on the Astro's (whatever those are), that's cool, but you'll get better sound from a real set of cans for the same price. BF3 has a sound engine (from Dolby!) that's incredible with just a set of headphones; I'm running the HD555's (previous generation) along with an X-Fi, which works very, very well for clarity and positioning. The SB Z + HD558 runs as the current version of that.
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Re: Building my Dream Machine! Questions & Suggestions

Postposted on Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:40 pm

For the CPU- six-core CPU's don't present a huge performance for games, yet. Most games are coded around the current consoles, which are quite limiting. Expect that to change, along with video memory requirements; I don't think your investment there would be lost, given the modest platform cost difference ($200 for the CPU, $100 for the board) compared to the total cost of your system.

For RAM, note that you don't have to buy a 'kit' at all; you're best off checking to see what memory modules work best with which motherboard, whether they come individually or kits of four or eight. And yeah, for gaming, 16GB is the perfect overkill. 8GB might be limiting in the time-frame you've specified, and 32GB would go largely unused.

For hard drives, he's just saying to take a look at them- you don't need more than one, really.

For sound- well, we've addressed that, but really, there's only two good high-end solutions out there-

Either (a) you get a decent sound card (for games, you want the SB Z) and a decent set of cans, or (b) you get a decent receiver to hook up through HDMI and set up a good 7.1 speaker set.
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Re: Building my Dream Machine! Questions & Suggestions

Postposted on Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:16 am

Vonhitz,
I found the Silverstone HE-02 AIO 240mm coolingkit at newegg for about the same price as the Corsair h100I at 119.99...It is a steal at that price. I would also buy 2 more 120mm fans for a push pull configutation "they are not needed nut can give you better temps with lower RPMs and noise" and also give you better temps with more noise if you run all 4 fans at full Blast. Do not skimp on the extra fans. Get quality ones I love my 5 Cougar vortex fans!! ,I also can vouch for Enermax magma fans...thy both put out about the same noise and airflow but i believe the magmas are a bit cheaper
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6835220063

If the system is mainly for gaming I second Justanenginers KAK JAE suggestion of getting a nice haswell socket 1150 motherboard and a 4770k CPU That has better clock for clock single threaded performance then sandy bridge -e 3930k.
16GB of memory is plenty for pretty much anything....for gaming it is overkill but while prices are cheap you might as well get 2 sticks of 8gb cas latency 9 DDR3 1866 memory. It is the sweet spot on memory speed. The gain from 1600 to 1866 is pretty good the gain from 1866 to 2100 is not much at all. Plus I have read Haswell overclocks a bit better with lower speed memory , so you could just get ddr3 1600, But i would go with 1866 at cas latency 9 9 9 24 at 1.5 volts.

As for Motherboard brand ASrock has some great boards. They are a bit cheaper then ASUS but you get more features for the same money or the same features for less money...win- win.

Now the money you save by not going for a socket 2011 rig should be but into a 500gb SSD. The HDD system of a computer is the biggest bottleneck on a computer and a single 500gb samsung EVO SSD is large enough to put your OS and pretty much any games you have. with 500mbps reads it shreds 3 raided 7200rpm drives. HDD's are good for storage But a SSD will make a fast system seem super duper fast with 8 second cold boot times.

Get a single 780 card for now and if you try 3d and love it and need more FPS you can always add another one. 3d when implemented correctly is breathtaking.

If you do not smoke and live in a clean environment I would go for the Coolermaster HAF932 @ 159$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811119160
I have the HAF 922 and it is a great case...but i smoke and have 2 Huge great danes so i have to cloean mine every few months.

Or a Roswill Thor V2 Black 129.99 white is 149.99
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Updated First post to reflect Secondary Considerations & added questions/comments in "notes" section.
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Re: Building my Dream Machine! Questions & Suggestions

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Vonhitz wrote:Updated First post to reflect Secondary Considerations & added questions/comments in "notes" section.


Can't really make any new recommendations-

The PC350, I believe, is mostly an HD55X with a decent mic. Should be fine, but the ZxR has nothing for you over the base Z, unless you plan on spending >$500 on your cans.

Future games WILL take advantage of more than four cores- we see that already. How much? Check your local fortune teller :). But know that many games are starting to show performance improvements with the 'HT' versions of Intel quad cores, versus the ones without HT. That wasn't always the case. If you're really going to use your computer for as long as you say, might as well spend the extra $300 and get the ~50% potential speedup now; if not, save the cash. Just note that any future upgrade to the CPU will involve the motherboard and the RAM, too, at a minimum.

For the CPU cooler- this is actually going to be most dependent on the case you pick, and you're going to want to be very picky about how that gets set up, as that's going to be your number two contributor to noise.

Motherboard- depends on the CPU choice, but it's mostly a wash. Just make sure whatever you get has two PCIe 3.0 x16 slots on it.

Memory- depends on the CPU, but note that CAS latency isn't a hard number- it's more of a variable. CAS 10 at 2400MHz is 2/3rd the latency of CAS10 at 1600MHz, for example. If you increase the speed of the RAM, CAS latency can go up, and total performance will still increase, for stuff that needs memory bandwidth.

Graphics card- Wait. The only 'safe bet' for graphics cards right now is Nvidia's Titan. It's the only card with great performance and 6GB of RAM, that you can guarantee will run multiple monitors with multiple cards without significant issues. And it's $1000 a pop, though you'd only need one. Why not the HD7990? Well, even though it has 6GB of RAM installed, that's split between two GPUs- and they don't share. It's effectively the performance level of a pair of HD7590 3GB cards. Now, there are HD7970's with 6GB, but they're rare, and they don't have the kind of cooler you'd actually want to use if you were going to put two cards in a system. The 'perfect' solution would actually be the GTX780's with the Titan cooler, if they made a version with 6GB of RAM; but Nvidia nixed that just like they nixed 8GB GTX690's (only 4GB cards were shipped, so 2GB per GPU). An HD7990 with 12GB (so 6GB per GPU) would be decent but they don't exist, and the jury's still out on AMD's driver team in addressing multi-card setups.

Storage- 512GB isn't going to be enough, and no, you don't want to do RAID. RAID1 would be fine for redundancy, sure, but the expense simply isn't worth it. The best/easiest/cheapest thing to do is to use a mechanical drive for all media and older/smaller games and as a backup for an SSD, while the SSD has the OS, major apps, and larger/heavier games.

Power supply- Any Seasonic/Corsair gold-rated 850W unit is fine.

Monitors- 144Hz is very cool- but like I said above, there's no point in getting just two- either get three, or get one and then get a higher-resolution companion display for other stuff; personally, I use one 30" 2560x1600 panel for gaming and photo editing, while I keep up to four other smaller crappy monitors hooked up for other things, like the Battlelog page, Ventrilo, system monitors, other webpages, etc.

Case- intensely personal, but please, please look at the Fortress FT-02. There's nothing else out there like it; it's what I would be using if I hadn't been shooting to keep the size down (it's a little deeper). If you're not going to put waterblocks on your video cards, there isn't a better case.
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Re: Building my Dream Machine! Questions & Suggestions

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Graphics card- Wait. The only 'safe bet' for graphics cards right now is Nvidia's Titan. It's the only card with great performance and 6GB of RAM, that you can guarantee will run multiple monitors with multiple cards without significant issues. And it's $1000 a pop, though you'd only need one. Why not the HD7990? Well, even though it has 6GB of RAM installed, that's split between two GPUs- and they don't share. It's effectively the performance level of a pair of HD7590 3GB cards. Now, there are HD7970's with 6GB, but they're rare, and they don't have the kind of cooler you'd actually want to use if you were going to put two cards in a system. The 'perfect' solution would actually be the GTX780's with the Titan cooler, if they made a version with 6GB of RAM; but Nvidia nixed that just like they nixed 8GB GTX690's (only 4GB cards were shipped, so 2GB per GPU). An HD7990 with 12GB (so 6GB per GPU) would be decent but they don't exist, and the jury's still out on AMD's driver team in addressing multi-card setups.


Phew. After reading this paragraph over and over, looking over tons of sites and reviews in regards to BF4 best GPU's, Reviews on the GPU's we've been talking about, Its apparent the card I get will be at least one variation of the two I've listed. The determining factor will probably be the best deal from Nvidia or AMD at time of purchase. they both seem to kick ass and give me what I want.

Now, the whole "multiple cards" thing.... The Geoforce GTX780 has a "DL DVI-I" and a "DL DVI-D" port. I know I've been recommended to go "either 1 or three monitors" but i really only want/need/have space for two. My perceived setup is two 23" monitors, (main one being a 144hz) for my main BF4 Gameplay, and my secondary being a 23" IPS for my main RTS gameplay + my BF4 Map(which can be placed completely on a second monitor) Can I just run a DL DVI-D Cable from the GTX780 DL DVI-D port to the 144hz and a DL DVI-I cable to the IPS monitor from the GTX780 DL DVI-I port? How bad do you think my FPS would suffer? Would you still suggest two GTX780's in SLI?

Check out the 3.0 TB Seagate Barracuda 7200 drives for storing big stuff while using an SSD for your operating system and most performance-sensitive applications.


So... In essence. Buy 1 3.0TB Seagate .... for everything from small games, files, storage. and only install things like BF4, Minecraft, Games i want good performance on on the 512GB SSD. (or do i need 2 of the seagates?) Could i get away with 1? .. I have an external HD for music, videos, ect.
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Re: Building my Dream Machine! Questions & Suggestions

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Vonhitz wrote:I'm not sure what the (PC3 14900) stands for, could someone explain.

Couldn't tell if someone answered this, but the "PC3" number is the bandwidth while the "DDR3" number is the frequency (clock speed). The PC3 number is essentially 8x the DDR3 number since the bus width is 8 bytes. (Sometimes the numbers are also rounded.)
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Re: Building my Dream Machine! Questions & Suggestions

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After reading a bunch more reviews and such, I've decided to opt for the 16GB RAM. I guess 16GB really is "still overkill" and 32GB would just be a waste of money that i can put towards making a different part of my Build better.
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Re: Building my Dream Machine! Questions & Suggestions

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Airmantharp wrote:With GPU's- there's a new generation coming

Nvidia's Maxwell is a 2014 release. AMD's next gen should be out by the end of 2013. Either way that is a long time to wait.

I'd go with two 4GB GTX 770.
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Re: Building my Dream Machine! Questions & Suggestions

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Vonhitz wrote: SAMSUNG 840 Pro Series MZ-7PD512BW 2.5" 512GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... llFullInfo
$489.99

Notes: So I read somewhere that for gaming, that it would be better for two SSD's setup as RAID 1, than 1 SSD with two 3TB HD's setup at RAID1 supporting the 1 SSD. Can anyone sorta alleviate my possible misunderstand on this subject?
You want your operating system and your most-used programs to be installed on the SSD. Files that aren't as latency-sensitive can be stored on a hard-drive. RAID doesn't make much sense for your SSD. I'd suggest buying an external hard-drive or dock or setting up a NAS unit for backup.

Vonhitz wrote: Creative Sound Blaster Z Series ZXR (70SB151000000) PCI Express x1 Interface Sound Card
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-$209.99

Notes: Opinions?
It's pricier than the SoundBlaster Z, but if you need the audiophile-level amps and recording abilities of the ZXR, the reviewers seem to like it.

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Vonhitz wrote: I've read IPS is better for RPG games, while 144hz monitors is better for games like Battlefield. Since I'm leaning towards a build geared to games like Battlefield, I've decided to go with a 144hz Monitor. I would however like a 2 screen setup. Maybe 1 144hz and a second 24" IPS monitor? Would that work?
You would probably end up disappointed in one or the other. However, if you'd like to try a 144 Hz TN LCD monitor at 1920x1080 next to one of those Korean 2560x1440 IPS LCD monitors, you could form your own opinion on which feature provides the best gaming experience.

Vonhitz wrote: I'm taking suggestions on keyboards.
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Re: Building my Dream Machine! Questions & Suggestions

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JustAnEngineer wrote:
Vonhitz wrote: SAMSUNG 840 Pro Series MZ-7PD512BW 2.5" 512GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... llFullInfo
$489.99

Notes: So I read somewhere that for gaming, that it would be better for two SSD's setup as RAID 1, than 1 SSD with two 3TB HD's setup at RAID1 supporting the 1 SSD. Can anyone sorta alleviate my possible misunderstand on this subject?
You want your operating system and your most-used programs to be installed on the SSD. Files that aren't as latency-sensitive can be stored on a hard-drive. RAID doesn't make much sense for your SSD. I'd suggest buying an external hard-drive or dock or setting up a NAS unit for backup.

I highly recommend that Vonhitz go with a 1TB SSD. There are two 1TB SSD options (that I know of) on the market today - Samsung EVO 1TB and the Crucial M500 960GB. I bought the M500 960GB for my gaming rig and I absolutely love it. Everything else is stored on my Synology DS1512+.

The other option is to buy a motherboard that supports SSD caching. Pair up a fast SSD with a big HDD and your most used apps/files will be read from the SSD.
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End User wrote:[I highly recommend that Vonhitz go with a 1TB SSD. There are two 1TB SSD options (that I know of) on the market today - Samsung EVO 1TB and the Crucial M500 960GB. I bought the M500 960GB for my gaming rig and I absolutely love it. Everything else is stored on my Synology DS1512+.

The other option is to buy a motherboard that supports SSD caching. Pair up a fast SSD with a big HDD and your most used apps/files will be read from the SSD.


Not sure how you can recommend such an expense; I mean, seriously, what is he going to store on there? You can map all of your personal folders (everything under users) to the hard drive, so that even dumping something on your desktop, or downloading something in a browser, doesn't arbitrarily fill up the drive.

Reality is, you're going to want a spinner anyway. What if he has more than 1TB of stuff? Seriously, that's not going to be enough for *everything*, hence multiple drives. Might as well get a reasonable SSD and HDD, and put money elsewhere, especially for a system that needs to last awhile without major upgrades.
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Vonhitz wrote:I've read IPS is better for RPG games, while 144hz monitors is better for games like Battlefield.

Yes. I've used both - for fast-paced FPS games a TN monitor with 120/144 Hz native refresh rate is unmatched, especially when using LightBoost trick. And unlike with no-name Korean "overclocked" IPS monitors you are guaranteed this refresh rate and have a better manufacturer's warranty/return policies. However, their color reproduction is generally worse than on good IPS monitors, even after calibrating (b.t.w, I'd personally recommend getting something like a Spyder 4 Pro calibrator regardless of monitor type, especially if you have multiple monitors), which is noticeable with many MMORPG/RPG games.

Vonhitz wrote:keyboards

Buy a few mechanical ones (or go to local store which has them) with different type of switches, try them out, see which one you like most, return the rest. I personally like my Logitech G710+ with Cherry MX Brown switches but you may not.
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Re: Building my Dream Machine! Questions & Suggestions

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Was going to stay away from the keyboards comment- mostly, what do you like? There's such a range of options that it'd be impossible to say 'just get this one and be done!'. Like JohnC said above, go try some mechanical ones out; if you like them, and find you like a particular type of switch (I love the Browns, hate the Blues, personally), we can then find a keyboard that would suit your taste.
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Airmantharp wrote: if you like them, and find you like a particular type of switch (I love the Browns, hate the Blues, personally), we can then find a keyboard that would suit your taste.


Blue is best for typing (and very loud). Red is best for gaming. Brown is good for both.
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Re: Building my Dream Machine! Questions & Suggestions

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kumori wrote:
Airmantharp wrote: if you like them, and find you like a particular type of switch (I love the Browns, hate the Blues, personally), we can then find a keyboard that would suit your taste.


Blue is best for typing (and very loud). Red is best for gaming. Brown is good for both.


Yup, though I will note that the overall quality of the keyboard makes a difference too- from the way that the keys are mounted to the quality of the key caps. I find my Rosewill with Browns to be fairly nice for the money, though the spacebar feels a little weird; the Razor Blackwidow Ultimate I used before that with Blues was painful. The key caps are too light/dinky, and the Blues are themselves lower resistance, making the keys themselves just feel too light to the touch overall, lacking the kind of feedback I need. The Blues in the Blackwidow also came across as 'shrill', being not only annoyingly loud, but also uncomfortable to type on.

Personally, should I want/need to replace my Rosewill, I'd be looking for one with n-key rollover over USB, with silencers installed on the switches (essentially thin gaskets to keep plastic from smacking metal), and white backlighting, in a normal key layout. The keyboards I've priced that fit that description are in the $150-$250 range, while the basic Rosewill's and others are usually in the $70-$150 range.
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Ducky keyboards are a perfect replacement for Rosewill ones - they have traditional layout, excellent build quality (much better than, for example, Razer junk), proper detachable cable mounting/routing and come with lots of backlighting and switch type choices. Highly recommended if you don't need macro/media keys or volume control. If you like Brown switches - here is the nice model:
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Suggestions:

1. Mobo - most z87 motherboards will last through Broadwell. I suggest Asrock as a brand as you will get more value for your hard earned than with asus or gigabyte (example Asrock z87 extreme6) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813157371

2. Processor: I really really doubt you will see the benefit of 6 core processors in games in the next 2 years. 4770k will be fine.

3. Cooler really depends on your case; FT02 won't fit a standard cooler well so I advise against it. I do recommend an xspc kit over an all in one solution though as you will end up with better cooling and Haswell is quite a beast with heat. I can tell you first hand, a single 120mm water cooler will not be enough to comfortably hit high speeds on Haswell.

4. I would hold off on graphics till september .. AMD is looking to announce something soon (looking like September 12)....that said the 7990 looks like a good buy for the money.

5. For a psu: Seasonic or PCPower and cooling would be my choices.
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Re: Building my Dream Machine! Questions & Suggestions

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Airmantharp wrote:
End User wrote:[I highly recommend that Vonhitz go with a 1TB SSD. There are two 1TB SSD options (that I know of) on the market today - Samsung EVO 1TB and the Crucial M500 960GB. I bought the M500 960GB for my gaming rig and I absolutely love it. Everything else is stored on my Synology DS1512+.

The other option is to buy a motherboard that supports SSD caching. Pair up a fast SSD with a big HDD and your most used apps/files will be read from the SSD.


Not sure how you can recommend such an expense; I mean, seriously, what is he going to store on there? You can map all of your personal folders (everything under users) to the hard drive, so that even dumping something on your desktop, or downloading something in a browser, doesn't arbitrarily fill up the drive.

Reality is, you're going to want a spinner anyway. What if he has more than 1TB of stuff? Seriously, that's not going to be enough for *everything*, hence multiple drives. Might as well get a reasonable SSD and HDD, and put money elsewhere, especially for a system that needs to last awhile without major upgrades.

We are talking about a $3,600 cash no object dream build. My 1TB SSD suggestion only adds $300 to the tally.

As far as spinners go my "reasonable HDD and SSD" suggestion is quoted in your post. As far as "What if he has more than 1TB of stuff?" is concerned, in addition to my HDD+SSD cache solution, I mentioned that I use a NAS for additional storage. Swap "HDD" for "NAS" and you see that I never suggested that a 1TB SSD is all you need. That being said I found that even with stuff like music/documents/movies/backups off of my primary storage I was hobbled by my originally 512GB SSD as it was far too small to store even my basic list of games. With my 960GB SSD I no longer have that problem.

This reminds me of the "who needs more than 4GB of memory" discussions of the recent past. We quickly moved past that and the same thing will happen in the SSD space. 1.5-2TB SSDs will be on the market this time next year. HDDs will soon become a thing of the past as far as primary storage is concerned.

As Vonhitz has a healthy budget for this build here is my final, over the top, suggestion:

- 1TB SSD boot/apps/games drive
- big HDD + SSD(cache) for storage

Now you can have it all. A dedicated boot/apps/games SSD and secondary storage handled by a big HDD with SSD caching to keep it nice and fast. Brilliant!
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End User wrote:We are talking about a $3,600 cash no object dream build. My 1TB SSD suggestion only adds $300 to the tally.

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- 1TB SSD boot/apps/games drive
- big HDD + SSD(cache) for storage

Now you can have it all. A dedicated boot/apps/games SSD and secondary storage handled by a big HDD with SSD caching to keep it nice and fast. Brilliant!


Actually, if it's only $300 more, I can agree with that suggestion as long as the other priorities are taken care of first :).

But I'd consider the baseline to be a ~250GB SSD and a 3TB+ HDD. You could fit a dozen modern games on the SSD, and a modern hard drive is actually very fast for anything else, including most games.

Hell, I still run every game except Battlefield 3 off of my 2TB WD Green drive without impacting loading times enough to bother me- and if they did bother me (I have a backlog...), I'd just move that game over to the SSD; quick and easy. Steam even has a tool for this built in!
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Airmantharp wrote:as long as the other priorities are taken care of first :).

They are in this build.

Airmantharp wrote:But I'd consider the baseline to be a ~250GB SSD and a 3TB+ HDD.

This is not a baseline build.

Airmantharp wrote:Hell, I still run every game except Battlefield 3 off of my 2TB WD Green drive

Why not tell me there is no point in getting an L lens as well. Any old lens will do just fine.
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Postposted on Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:19 pm

Go with an Nvidia GPU. If you ever decide to run Linux, since steam is now giving Linux a better future for gaming, you'll appreciate the quality of Nvidia Linux proprietary drivers. Sure, AMD has them too, but with my past experience, Nvidia just does Linux/Unix drivers better.
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Postposted on Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:49 pm

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Airmantharp wrote:as long as the other priorities are taken care of first :).

They are in this build.

Airmantharp wrote:But I'd consider the baseline to be a ~250GB SSD and a 3TB+ HDD.

This is not a baseline build.

Airmantharp wrote:Hell, I still run every game except Battlefield 3 off of my 2TB WD Green drive

Why not tell me there is no point in getting an L lens as well. Any old lens will do just fine.


We need to see an updated estimate from the OP before exceeding any 'baselines'. What good would an L lens be on an m43 camera?
Canon 6D||[24-105/4L IS USM|100/2.8L Macro IS USM|70-300/4-5.6 IS USM|40/2.8 STM|50/1.4 USM|85/1.8 USM|Samyang/Bower 14/2.8 Full-Manual Rectilinear Wide-angle|
Canon EOS-M|11-22/4-5.6 IS STM|22/2 STM|EF-M 18-55/3.5-5.6 IS STM|
For sale!|24/2.8 IS USM
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