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Star Brood wrote:I was messing around with my monitor this morning and I accidentally dropped it down to 60Hz, but without immediately realizing that the frame rate dropped. As soon as I started doing things on the computer, I noticed there was a big problem with motion, even with simple things like moving the mouse cursor around. When I found the culprit, it didn't surprise me.
credible wrote:I do prefer screen real estate but at the same time I also would prefer as little input lag as possible.
End User wrote:Star Brood wrote:I was messing around with my monitor this morning and I accidentally dropped it down to 60Hz, but without immediately realizing that the frame rate dropped. As soon as I started doing things on the computer, I noticed there was a big problem with motion, even with simple things like moving the mouse cursor around. When I found the culprit, it didn't surprise me.
Are you suggesting that this problem occurs on 60Hz displays?
Star Brood wrote:I noticed there was a big problem with motion, even with simple things like moving the mouse cursor around.
End User wrote:Star Brood wrote:I noticed there was a big problem with motion, even with simple things like moving the mouse cursor around.
Can you describe this in more detail?
Star Brood wrote:End User wrote:Star Brood wrote:I noticed there was a big problem with motion, even with simple things like moving the mouse cursor around.
Can you describe this in more detail?
That's like describing the difference between 120Hz and 60Hz all over again. I can't tell you how many debates there are on this, you either see it or you don't, or you either care about it or you don't.
End User wrote:Er, no. It should be easily seen when pointed out. Please describe it in detail or else I'll have to drag my ass over to a store, pick one up and do a review on my next post.
Star Brood wrote:- Mouse movement. I have a Razer DeathAdder set to maximum speed. With 120Hz and lightboost strobing enabled, I can track the exact position of the mouse no matter where it is on the screen nor how quickly it's moving. With 60Hz, all I could see was a blur unless I moved the mouse slowly or held it still.
Star Brood wrote:- Page scrolling. This one is relative to how quickly you scroll the page, but it is blurry scrolling at 60Hz, crystal clear with 2D lightboost enabled at 120Hz. No blur.
Star Brood wrote:- Windows 8 start screen. When I use my mouse wheel to scroll back and forth on the start screen, the transition is blurry. Again, with the 2D lightboost enabled and 120Hz, it's perfectly fluid motion.
Star Brood wrote:Of course I have a monitor that supports 2D Lightboost thanks to the ToastyX strobelight, so the difference is night and day. With plain 120Hz, the difference is less pronounced, but still a big difference. If you visit http://www.testufo.com/#test=framerates and set the UFO pixel speed to the approximate pixel width of your display, try to track the topmost UFO and you will see a huge blur. Try it with a lightboost-enabled monitor like mine and install the ToastyX profile, and you will literally see a solid image moving across the screen that you can easily identify to the exact detail and track with your eyes (see this page for reference on what your eyes would see: http://www.blurbusters.com/faq/60vs120vslb/)
End User wrote:Using a R.A.T. 9 I can track the cursor without an issue. Perhaps the "problem" is more pronounced on your display at 60Hz.
End User wrote:Text is clear when I scroll on a long web page. Perhaps the "problem" is more pronounced on your display at 60Hz.
End User wrote:I won't say blurry but it is not buttery smooth. This is not an issue for me. Definitely not a "problem".
End User wrote:It's definitely not worth me dumbing down to a 1080p display (the horror).
Star Brood wrote:And hence the seemingly-endless debate between 60Hz 1440p and 120Hz 1080p continues.
Star Brood wrote:Yeah, "problem" may have been an exaggeration
Star Brood wrote:CRT-quality motion
Star Brood wrote:Your video card can handle games like WoW at 1440p 60Hz or 1080p at 120Hz without trouble.
I am biased towards the Lightboost-enabled monitors that allow CRT quality motion thanks to BlurBusters, however motion blur can makes things look more movie-like and have more eye candy appeal, so it's up to you.
I play StarCraft 2, but it is a huge difference in StarCraft 2 to not have motion blur because it allows you to see everything on the screen at a glance. I've never played WoW, but from what I hear 1440p is better for RPG's.
Star Brood wrote:Star Brood wrote:Your video card can handle games like WoW at 1440p 60Hz or 1080p at 120Hz without trouble.
I am biased towards the Lightboost-enabled monitors that allow CRT quality motion thanks to BlurBusters, however motion blur can makes things look more movie-like and have more eye candy appeal, so it's up to you.
I play StarCraft 2, but it is a huge difference in StarCraft 2 to not have motion blur because it allows you to see everything on the screen at a glance. I've never played WoW, but from what I hear 1440p is better for RPG's.
Doesn't sound like attacking to me. I clearly stated my bias in the beginning and gave him a reasonable recommendation. Then it escalated rather quickly.
I am not following a "fanboy handbook". The motion quality is simply superior on LightBoost 2D and the quality is in direct comparison to CRT's. There's nothing fanboyish about it, it's simply fact.
Star Brood wrote:I am not ignoring any problems,
Star Brood wrote:and please don't use the lingo "lol" in this context, it is mean and doesn't support your case.
Star Brood wrote:So far I have derived (correct me if I'm wrong): you haven't used a 120Hz monitor for gaming;
Star Brood wrote:you won't buy a 120Hz monitor because you prefer the IPS-type displays.
Star Brood wrote:I'll rephrase my argument 'for' and 'against':
Star Brood wrote:You may have some kind of smooth-scrolling enabled on your browser
Star Brood wrote:Yes I presented an exaggerated post in the beginning
Star Brood wrote:dropping to 60Hz and to me that was a big problem.
End User wrote:Ja ja, I'm familiar with it. I just don't see it as a "problem" in real world usage for me. It's definitely not worth me dumbing down to a 1080p display (the horror). If this were a "problem" I'd just go out and buy a 120Hz display.