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movie review: Gravity.

Postposted on Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:24 am

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Re: movie review: Gravity.

Postposted on Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:20 am

The visuals and science involved were awesome, but a couple scenes lacked realism. I would have picked a better lead than Sandra Bullock IMO; she did meh. All in all, I would see it, but it was enjoyable.
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Re: movie review: Gravity.

Postposted on Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:27 am

What you said about the movie could apply to the majority of the films that Hollywood has been churning out for the past 5 years or so. I have been disappointed by almost all of the big releases that promised something special like Prometheus, The Hobbit, Elysium and many more. I'm done with going to the cinema to watch them since lately the only movies that are truly enjoyable, for me at least, are the small budget ones that are not afraid to tackle interesting subjects and where acting plays a far greater role than computer generated graphics.
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Re: movie review: Gravity.

Postposted on Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:51 am

Fewer Americans go to the movies these days. Hollywood relies on overseas box office receipts to pay for their mega-expensive big productions. Witty dialog, great acting and culturally-relevant themes translate poorly from English to Mandarin. Explosions translate extremely well.
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Re: movie review: Gravity.

Postposted on Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:01 am

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Re: movie review: Gravity.

Postposted on Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:25 am

Hey, I enjoyed it. I wasn't expecting a cinematic masterpiece, so I wasn't disappointed.

TBH the part that bugged me the most was the realization that there was zero chance of the Hubble, ISS, and Tiangong all being in orbits which would make the events of the movie possible.
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Re: movie review: Gravity.

Postposted on Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:30 am

just brew it! wrote:TBH the part that bugged me the most was the realization that there was zero chance of the Hubble, ISS, and Tiangong all being in orbits which would make the events of the movie possible.

This has been the main complaint of reviewers with at least some science background.
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Re: movie review: Gravity.

Postposted on Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:39 am

At first, seeing the trailer, I wasn't interested in it all. I thought that after the "incident" at the ISS in the trailer, that'd she be floating in space and this was going to play out more like Cast Away. I really enjoyed it and will be going back to see it again. You're the first person I've heard to give it a negative comment.

I'm trying to think of the plot holes you mention. The director has publicly come out and said that he knows that Hubble/telecommunication satellites/ISS do have different orbits so this would never happen, but I think that's a pretty small issue. Considering how much of the movie they got right, I'm willing to let the orbit thing go. Many more movies have made much larger leaps than that.

As for her decisions...uhhhh....people, unless they've had training and experience in how to deal with situations typically don't think logically. As much as we'd like to think we'd be logical and level headed in a situation we've never been in, human behaviour will typically prove us wrong. And let's see how well you do trying to read Chinese while you're getting your arse handed to you.

I'd certainly like to hear more of your plot holes and bad decisions (use spoiler tags).

Overall I thought the movie was incredibly good and well played out. I'd recommend it to everyone.
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Re: movie review: Gravity.

Postposted on Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:27 pm

Or when they reached the ISS, shouldn't the debris already have hit it multiple times, not just when they got there. The perfectly aligned orbits was another.
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Re: movie review: Gravity.

Postposted on Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:13 pm

Black Applesauce wrote:Or when they reached the ISS, shouldn't the debris already have hit it multiple times, not just when they got there.



Nope. When the satellite is destroyed it shreds the ISS and then moves to the shuttle, destroying that. Once Clooney rescues Bullock, het sets his watch to time down when the debris will make the second orbit, which is just as Bullock arrives at the ISS.

Black Applesauce wrote:The perfectly aligned orbits was another.
Terminator 2 was FULL of plot holes, didn't stop it from being a great movie that has gone on to be a classic. Although the director has stated that the orbit issue wouldn't happen in real life, without it the movie doesn't happen. I guess they could have used an orbiting meteor shower? For as much as they got the orbits wrong, they did get a lot of the other smaller stuff right.
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Re: movie review: Gravity.

Postposted on Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:18 pm

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Re: movie review: Gravity.

Postposted on Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:04 pm

Sargent Duck wrote:
Black Applesauce wrote:The perfectly aligned orbits was another.

Terminator 2 was FULL of plot holes, didn't stop it from being a great movie that has gone on to be a classic. Although the director has stated that the orbit issue wouldn't happen in real life, without it the movie doesn't happen. I guess they could have used an orbiting meteor shower? For as much as they got the orbits wrong, they did get a lot of the other smaller stuff right.

I think that's a bit of an apples-oranges comparison. The Terminator series did not make any attempt at scientific accuracy or plausible explanations, since one of the basic premises of the series (time travel) is something we don't know how to do, and which is likely not even possible.

The very fact that Gravity was obviously trying to make the plot seem plausible, and got a lot of the small details right, makes the aligned orbit thing stick out.

That said, it was not enough to spoil my enjoyment of the movie. Just one of those things that make you shrug and go "Oh well, artistic license." :wink:
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Re: movie review: Gravity.

Postposted on Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:34 pm

just brew it! wrote:That said, it was not enough to spoil my enjoyment of the movie. Just one of those things that make you shrug and go "Oh well, artistic license." :wink:

I agree completely. As Clone mentioned as well, all three "platforms" are very close to each other, but if this movie were full 100% realistic, it would be a pretty boring movie as nothing would happen. Bullock would have finished the mission (the debris flying above/below her without incident, the shuttle would have landed and...end of movie.
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Re: movie review: Gravity.

Postposted on Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:12 pm

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Re: movie review: Gravity.

Postposted on Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:06 am

Clone, no movie is perfect and you do bring up some valid questions. However, it would seem that almost nobody else cares about these as the movie currently holds a 97% rating at rotten tomatoes with critics and a 89% with the audience. And it's set the record for opening weekend for a movie in October.

Before responding, let me just say I respect your opinion that you didn't like the movie (that's fine, I'm sure there are many movies you like that I don't. I don't like LoTR, I found it boring and I know I'm in a minority considering how much the critics and box office loves it), so please don't think I'm attacking you or your opinion. It just seems like you have a real hate on for this movie.

The following contains spoilers. If you've read this far and haven't watched the movie yet...well...go watch the movie then continue reading : )

Why didn't they go back for oxygen or get a spare pack? I dunno, but people do strange and unpredictable things when they're in shock (as Bullock's character would certainly be). Clooney did say the jet pack was experimental, so perhaps it was the only one? The shuttle was a complete wreck and maybe charging the jetpack/oxygen tanks required a fine degree of finesse to fit the hose fittings (ie, require fingers and NOT those bulky gloves) so it would have to be done in an oxygen atmosphere?

Clooney was getting Bullock to keep talking to keep her calm rather than her just floating in silence which could cause a panic attack.

Bullock couldn't go after Clooney as 1) She had no idea where he was (visibility was very limited from the rocket), 2) She had no idea if he was alive, 3) She didn't have time on her side and 4) she only had movement thrusters and only 1 burn. Even if she did somehow find Clooney, she had no way of stopping the rocket. If she used all her thrusters to stop, they'd be dead in space with NO landing rockets to move forward again.

And yes, she make a lot of mistakes (like missing the little fire, which was behind the door that she floated right past. The movie camera followed Bullock and then went around the panel so that the audience could see the fire, but Bullock wouldn't catch it unless she was specifically looking at that panel).

I get that you don't like the movie, but here is a movie that is very original. It's not ANOTHER superhero movie or some other rebooted/rehashed plot. It is new. Yes, it's similar to Apollo 13 (there's only so much that can go wrong in space), but it was different enough to stand on it's own.

However, regarding the "inaccuracies, I got this quote from Wikipedia

Cuarón has stated that the film is not always scientifically accurate and that some liberties were needed to sustain the story. Nevertheless, the film has been praised for the realism of its premises and its overall adherence to physical principles, despite a few inaccuracies and exaggerations. According to NASA Astronaut Michael J. Massimino, who took part in two Hubble Space Telescope Servicing Missions (STS-109 and STS-125), "nothing was out of place, nothing was missing. There was a one of a kind wirecutter we used on one of my spacewalks and sure enough they had that wirecutter in the movie."On October 6, 2013, astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson posted some inaccuracies in his official Twitter account.Examples of inaccuracies include:
- The Hubble Space Telescope (HST), which is being repaired at the beginning of the movie, has an orbit of about 559 kilometers (347 mi). The ISS, on the other hand, has a very slightly elliptical orbit at around 420 kilometers (260 mi), and a very different orbital plane. It would, therefore, be impossible for an astronaut to migrate from the Hubble orbit to the ISS with a unit similar to the Manned Maneuvering Unit which had an approximate 6 hour working time.

- Stone's tears are seen running down and floating off her face. Without sufficient force to dislodge the tears, the tears would remain on her face due to surface tension. However, the movie correctly portrays the spherical appearance of liquid drops in a micro-gravity environment.

- During reentry, Stone's helmet and other objects are still floating inside the capsule despite the fact that it is already decelerating through the atmosphere.

- Stone mentions that she has only six months training and was brought onto the flight for her specialized skillset. Such a person is referred to as a "payload specialist", not a "mission specialist", and would never have trained to do a spacewalk or land a spacecraft.

- Rather than leaving a gaping hole, space debris impacting an astronaut would combust the oxygen in their suit and incinerate them.

To quote a few other very well respected people (from the same article)
The film was praised by filmmakers James Cameron, who said, "I think it's the best space photography ever done, I think it's the best space film ever done, and it's the movie I've been hungry to see for an awful long time", and Quentin Tarantino, who named it one of the ten best movies of 2013 so far. Astronaut Buzz Aldrin is also a big fan of the film, calling the visual effects "remarkable". He goes on saying, "I was so extravagantly impressed by the portrayal of the reality of zero gravity. Going through the space station was done just the way that I've seen people do it in reality. The spinning is going to happen—maybe not quite that vigorous—but certainly we've been fortunate that people haven't been in those situations yet.


So it seems that the scientific community and even other big name directors don't have nearly as many problems with this as you do. Again, don't take this as a personal attack, but I'm going to side with the NASA Astronaut Michael J. Massimino when he says "nothing was out of place, nothing was missing." So obviously he and Buzz Aldrin, guys who have actually been there, done that, don't share many of your issues.

Again, I do respect that you didn't like the movie, but it just seems you have a special "hate" for this, trying to nitpick every little thing. I don't want to start an argument, but at the same time I don't want people to read your post thinking this movie is full of blunders giving the impression it was directed by Michael Bay.
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Re: movie review: Gravity.

Postposted on Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:54 am

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Re: movie review: Gravity.

Postposted on Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:06 am

I spent the first half of the movie thinking, 'hun, you need to work on this astronaut thing,' as I'd expect to perform at least as well as she did, with no training at all. Well, I'd probably be more like 'woo space' and enjoying the moment, but when **** gets serious, professionals know how to lock it in, while she just fell to pieces over and over.
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Re: movie review: Gravity.

Postposted on Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:16 am

I found two articles that present a good read.
http://www.vulture.com/2013/10/astronaut-fact-checks-gravity.html It's an in-depth Q&A with an astronaut who has done 7 spacewalks and
http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/10/poking-holes-in-the-gravity-trailer-with-nasas-help/. Very good reads and they both go really in depth on the issues.

I think either way, we can both agree that the sequel to this will be: Gravity 2: The Congressional Inquiry : )

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Re: movie review: Gravity.

Postposted on Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:43 pm

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Re: movie review: Gravity.

Postposted on Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:22 pm

The movie is pretty great. 3D really adds something to the subject matter.
They played a preview of the next Hobbit movie (also in 3D) and my thoughts on that were "not going to see this in 3D, no way".
I don't go to movies with the intent of trying to notice all the things that aren't realistic.
Just sit back and try and enjoy myself is the idea. Gravity was sweet. Ignore the naysayers and do yourself a favor and see this in the theatre.

Clone, it's my opinion that you nickpick too much. Do you approach all movies the same way?
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Re: movie review: Gravity.

Postposted on Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:45 pm

My big question was why the Clooney character couldn't have detached his thruster pack then kick against it towards the ISS. This move could have had him shedding mass along the right vector.
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Re: movie review: Gravity.

Postposted on Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:53 pm

The Ars article kind of ruined it for me. Thought it looked cool, so I read the article, and now I just don't want to see it. Wish I'd waited to enjoy it first. :(
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Postposted on Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:17 pm

I am normally ok with Sandra Bullock, however I agree with these two points that clone and Airmantharp made:

clone wrote:all of Bullocks mistakes were more like an astronaut training video on what will happen if you are silly. the Sandra Bullock character didn't need to be perfect but seriously the character was almost ditzy.


Airmantharp wrote:I spent the first half of the movie thinking, 'hun, you need to work on this astronaut thing,' as I'd expect to perform at least as well as she did, with no training at all. Well, I'd probably be more like 'woo space' and enjoying the moment, but when **** gets serious, professionals know how to lock it in, while she just fell to pieces over and over.


I couldn't have said it better myself.

My third issue was with SB's breathing... Annoying for two reasons: 1. It was annoying to listen to it for what seemed like forever, and 2. A trained astronaut would know that oxygen is a limited and precious resource so she would know that hyperventilating and talking excessively will only make the oxygen run out faster; yet she did both anyway and then proceeded to whine incessantly that her oxygen was running out.

Finally, I found it hard to believe that a character who was so ditzy could miraculously know how to read both Russian and Mandarin.

I've never walked out of a movie (not because of its content anyway), but at 30 minutes in, I was really tempted to. I think that since I saw the movie in 2D I was less impressed with the visuals and more focused on the story, characters, plot, and scientific accuracy (or lack thereof) and my suspension of disbelief was shot right away.
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Re: movie review: Gravity.

Postposted on Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:51 pm

nerdrage wrote:I am normally ok with Sandra Bullock, however I agree with these two points that clone and Airmantharp made:

clone wrote:all of Bullocks mistakes were more like an astronaut training video on what will happen if you are silly. the Sandra Bullock character didn't need to be perfect but seriously the character was almost ditzy.


Airmantharp wrote:I spent the first half of the movie thinking, 'hun, you need to work on this astronaut thing,' as I'd expect to perform at least as well as she did, with no training at all. Well, I'd probably be more like 'woo space' and enjoying the moment, but when **** gets serious, professionals know how to lock it in, while she just fell to pieces over and over.


I couldn't have said it better myself.

My third issue was with SB's breathing... Annoying for two reasons: 1. It was annoying to listen to it for what seemed like forever, and 2. A trained astronaut would know that oxygen is a limited and precious resource so she would know that hyperventilating and talking excessively will only make the oxygen run out faster; yet she did both anyway and then proceeded to whine incessantly that her oxygen was running out.

Finally, I found it hard to believe that a character who was so ditzy could miraculously know how to read both Russian and Mandarin.

I've never walked out of a movie (not because of its content anyway), but at 30 minutes in, I was really tempted to. I think that since I saw the movie in 2D I was less impressed with the visuals and more focused on the story, characters, plot, and scientific accuracy (or lack thereof) and my suspension of disbelief was shot right away.


The whole breathing thing- actually, I found that only slightly annoying, but really the whole movie does fit into the 'training video' motif. The barking, on the other hand.

And I don't think the character could actually read those languages- with Russian, if you can translate the Cyrillic into more traditional western characters and have been oriented on the Soyuz, that's pretty believable. No one should really be going into space these days without being oriented on a Soyuz. As for the Mandarin- well, she really does just cross her fingers and stab at controls. Now, the fact that that worked- yeah. She should be a crispy critter.

But I will say that I enjoyed the cinematography. I saw it in 3D, and I really feel that the added depth helped make the movie, in a sense. I know not everyone likes 3D and that some cannot handle it optically, but when it works, it works, and it definitely worked in this movie.
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Re: movie review: Gravity.

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Postposted on Tue Oct 15, 2013 8:13 am

re: ST into Darkness - I liked it :D - Although I waited until it came out on BluRay and I paid like $1.50 at redbox so that might factor into it.
No doubt the plot was kinda weak, and the thing with the people in the torpedoes was just dumb, no doubt.
But hey, its STAR TREK - and I love the new characters and I think it had enough goodness in it for me to enjoy it.

A movie has to be *really* bad for me to dislike it usually. I will say I can imagine not seeing Gravity in 3D would take away a some of the WOW factor from the visuals I bet.
I found myself squirming in my seat, feeling like I was in space with them, feeling pure panic when the space junk was coming. Freaked me right out. I think that's the feeling of immersion and Gravity did that for me big time.
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Re: movie review: Gravity.

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I DO NOT feel that everything Star Trek is garbage. You are reading into my comments too far or something.
I just thought the first one was far better then the 2nd. But I still liked the 2nd one fine. It is fair to say that I will see *any* Star trek movie no matter what the critics say.
I do not feel that either ST Into Darkness or Gravity were "garbage movies".
It's fair to say that whenever I venture into the theater or rent a movie I'm NOT expecting the movie to be perfect. I'm capable of noticing things that aren't quite right, but I don't let them bother me too much usually. An example of one bothering me - The movie SIGNS - are you really going to tell us that water kills/repels whatever the aliens? Another: Oblivion - As soon as I saw the triangularly shaped TET space station I thought to myself "humans would not build something like that, something is fishy here." But yeah, I can say I enjoyed both Signs and Oblivion.

It is fair to say your movie-going expectations are far higher then mine are. So therefore, can you name a Sci-Fi movie that you actually liked? Just curious.
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Re: movie review: Gravity.

Postposted on Wed Oct 16, 2013 11:31 am

I'm not a serious Trekkie but I've watched most of it and enjoyed most of what I watched.

Since Enterprise was cancelled there's been a lack of space opera to sate my appetite. The BSG reboot was okay, but nothing comes close to Star Trek or Firefly that I can think of in the last decade.
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