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Meadows wrote:Haswell-E or Broadwell in late 2014?Does anyone know if something more efficient than the FX-8320/8350 is anywhere near the horizon?
Meadows wrote:That's rather melodramatic, isn't it? Your computer will continue to be just as good as it has always been. Buy what works well for your application today. If you need a new PC a couple of years from now, worry about it then.I wish AMD would make it clear whether my computer is going to become junk soon.
Does anyone know if something more efficient than the FX-8320/8350 is anywhere near the horizon?
Well, don't tie one of your hands behind your back and complain that it's hard to play piano.Intel recommendations will be ignored at this time.
chuckula wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kniH5jLjo-U&t=00m21sDon't tie one of your hands behind your back and complain that it's hard to play piano.
chuckula wrote:Could AMD bring back the FX platform in a new incarnation around the time that DDR4 finally begins to get traction in the market? Conceivably yes, but something tells me that the days of non-APU parts from AMD are dwindling quickly.
just brew it! wrote:If you're happy with the price/performance/power tradeoffs of the FX-8350, get that.
Meadows wrote:If that's the case, why did they introduce a whole CPU lineup for FM2+ with no integrated graphics? Just so recently, in fact.
chuckula wrote:??? Do you mean the old Llano/Trinity parts where AMD just turned off the IGP to sell to certain OEM brackets? That's not a new chip, that's binning. Unless you can point me to some detailed documentation from AMD that says that these parts are anything other than Trinity with the IGP turned off, then there is nothing interesting about them.
clone wrote:if I was to toss in a guess because I'm in the same boat I believe we can expect a mildly cooler running FX 9590 solidly at 5000mhz...
JustAnEngineer wrote:My biggest complaint about Socket AM3+ may be that the only decent motherboards are full-size ATX. There's not a worthwhile Micro-ATX option to be found.
Meadows wrote:Binning aside; if they do want to kill off "non-APUs", then why introduce more CPUs? And -- might I repeat -- just so recently, too.
chuckula wrote:Yeah, your listing points to standard Trinity/Richland chips where AMD fused off the IGP. They are about as "new" as Intel introducing another SKU of Haswell based on the same silicon they've been selling since June. Some OEMs like these chips to tick off a particular checkbox for selling the chips in a particular configuration.
Meadows wrote:chuckula wrote:Yeah, your listing points to standard Trinity/Richland chips where AMD fused off the IGP. They are about as "new" as Intel introducing another SKU of Haswell based on the same silicon they've been selling since June. Some OEMs like these chips to tick off a particular checkbox for selling the chips in a particular configuration.
Whatever the case, they're good for building a reasonably powered PC using Socket FM2 today, and on the cheap, too. (Okay, so the power consumption is quoted as atrocious, but the processor generally won't spend all its time near the TDP.) The 760K is almost equivalent to my current processor in general performance, and benchmarks aside, I really have no complaints about this performance level. At least not in games, certainly. It's a good product, in my opinion.
The issue is whether one should move to FM2. That's my problem, you see. It would be nice to know which socket AMD's enthusiast line will continue on, assuming it does. They had desktop CPU roadmaps to about the year 2015, so if anything's underway, then I doubt they'll cancel it now. It's only a question of sockets.
The issue is whether one should move to FM2.
chuckula wrote:There's socket FM2... and then there's socket FM2+.
Meadows wrote:chuckula wrote:There's socket FM2... and then there's socket FM2+.
I figured they must be nearly interchangeable, like AM3 and AM3+ were.
chuckula wrote:No they are not. Kaveri is physically pin incompatible with socket FM2. You will never run a Kaveri part in an FM2 board, period no ifs ands or buts about it. This is not like the semi-official BIOS patches and hit & miss compatibility that we saw with Bulldozer in AM3 boards. The socket FM2+ boards are backwards compatible with existing Trinity parts, but their one and only benefit to Trinity parts is that they offer an upgrade path to Kaveri, otherwise there are no extra USB 3 ports, PCIe, etc. etc. platform improvements.
I will only either take 8 cores, or 4 cores with insane efficiency and/or clock speeds.
Meadows wrote:The issue is whether one should move to FM2. That's my problem, you see. It would be nice to know which socket AMD's enthusiast line will continue on, assuming it does. They had desktop CPU roadmaps to about the year 2015, so if anything's underway, then I doubt they'll cancel it now. It's only a question of sockets.
chuckula wrote:As for power consumption, apparently AMD is shaving 5 watts off the TDP for high-end desktop parts so we'll see 95 watt Kaveris replacing the 100 watt Richlands.
just brew it! wrote:or a full-blown workstation/server based on the Opteron platform (which will give you lots of cores, but mediocre single-threaded performance).
NovusBogus wrote:I haven't seen or heard anything to suggest that AMD has made progress addressing the efficiency issues plaguing their high-end CPU lineup
so a viable competitor to i5/i7 is unlikely to happen anytime soon.
Their APUs paint a brighter picture, but of course those are FM2+ and the endgame is a "good enough" chip that offers reasonable processing and graphics for a basic system, not an enthusiast-friendly benchmark darling.