Crucial will have DDR4 available by the end of the year

Discuss the core components that make up the heart and soul of any good computer.

Moderators: Flying Fox, Thresher

Crucial will have DDR4 available by the end of the year

Postposted on Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:02 pm

As the subject says, Crucial says they will have DDR4 available to the public by the end of the year.

http://www.crucial.com/promo/DDR4.aspx
Khali
Gerbil XP
 
Posts: 336
Joined: Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:31 pm

Re: Crucial will have DDR4 available by the end of the year

Postposted on Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:18 pm

Shazaam!! Too bad there's nothing that actually uses it, but given the initial prices most people would be afraid of DDR4 anyway. By 2015 though... it could be pretty nice.
4770K @ 4.7 GHz; 32GB DDR3-2133; GTX-770; 512GB 840 Pro (2x); Fractal Define XL-R2; NZXT Kraken-X60
--Many thanks to the TR Forum for advice in getting it built.
chuckula
Gerbil Elite
Gold subscriber
 
 
Posts: 568
Joined: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:18 pm
Location: Probably where I don't belong.

Re: Crucial will have DDR4 available by the end of the year

Postposted on Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:03 pm

Every memory transition is pretty painful; still, 2015 sounds good to me. Maybe by then we'll have iGPUs/APUs and software that can put the extra bandwidth to use.
Canon 6D|24-105/4L IS USM|70-300/4-5.6 IS USM|40/2.8 STM|50/1.4 USM|85/1.8 USM|Samyang/Bower 14/2.8 Full-Manual Rectilinear Wide-angle|24/2.8 IS USM|
Canon EOS-M|11-22/4-5.6 IS STM|22/2 STM|EF-M 18-55/3.5-5.6 IS STM|
Airmantharp
Gerbil Elder
Gold subscriber
 
 
Posts: 5081
Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 10:41 pm

Re: Crucial will have DDR4 available by the end of the year

Postposted on Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:28 pm

The irony is that they are comparing DDR4 to the first stage of DDR3 without all the massive improvements that it has made over the past few years. DDR3 2133 at 1.2v is not far outside the imagination.
Star Brood
Gerbil First Class
Silver subscriber
 
 
Posts: 182
Joined: Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:57 am

Re: Crucial will have DDR4 available by the end of the year

Postposted on Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:55 pm

Star Brood wrote:The irony is that they are comparing DDR4 to the first stage of DDR3 without all the massive improvements that it has made over the past few years. DDR3 2133 at 1.2v is not far outside the imagination.


It might seem manipulative but it's not that bad, they are just comparing the initial products of a given memory type. To be fair we would have to travel to the future and compare the final DDR4 with the final DDR3.
MadManOriginal
Graphmaster Gerbil
 
Posts: 1439
Joined: Wed Jan 30, 2002 7:00 pm
Location: In my head...

Re: Crucial will have DDR4 available by the end of the year

Postposted on Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:01 pm

2015 sounds good, yeah. AMD will probably lead this effort since they need it for APUs and Intel's memory controller is such that the difference between stock 1600 and mad-OC'd is negligible.
NovusBogus
Gerbil Elite
 
Posts: 520
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:37 am

Re: Crucial will have DDR4 available by the end of the year

Postposted on Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:15 pm

I suspect that the main advantage (at least initially) will be in reduced power usage. A 20% drop in voltage has the potential to significantly cut power consumption and heat dissipation, since (all else being equal) power usage is proportional to the square of supply voltage. We will probably see initial adoption mostly in the mobile market (e.g. tablets), where people are willing to pay more for increased battery life.
(this space intentionally left blank)
just brew it!
Administrator
Gold subscriber
 
 
Posts: 37858
Joined: Tue Aug 20, 2002 10:51 pm
Location: Somewhere, having a beer

Re: Crucial will have DDR4 available by the end of the year

Postposted on Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:40 pm

DDR4 will make it easier to build 8GiB and 16GIB DIMMs. It will not be far-fetched to see desktop system being able to handle 64GiB or more without spending an arm and leg.
Ivy Bridge i5-3570K@4.0Ghz, Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H, 2x4GiB of PC-12800, EVGA 660Ti, Corsair CX-600 and Fractal Refined R4 (W). Kentsfield Q6600@3Ghz, HD 4850 2x2GiB PC2-6400, Gigabyte EP45-DS4P, OCZ Modstream 700W, and PC-7B.
Krogoth
Maximum Gerbil
Silver subscriber
 
 
Posts: 4439
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2003 3:20 pm
Location: somewhere on Core Prime

meh

Postposted on Sat Nov 16, 2013 4:27 pm

If DDR3 hadn't been manipulated spiked to triple price from last year, adoption of 4 would be delayed that much more.

4 has little to nothing to do with density btw, thats all process shrinks. And 3 has been through quite a few of those already, ~20nm sure as hell wasn't around in 2007, but the ~20X larger 90nm was.

I'll take the lower voltage and higher bandwidth per clock, but only at a fair market price. I can sit and wait enough quarters for their greed to naturally cause an "oversupply" which occurs when they stop colluding and start competing, then buy it cheap before manipulation happens. Cpus aren't getting that much faster lately anyways. (gee wonder why...)
blah blah blah signature blah blah blah
Bauxite
Gerbil Elite
 
Posts: 619
Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:10 pm
Location: electrolytic redox smelting plant

Re: Crucial will have DDR4 available by the end of the year

Postposted on Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:18 am

Saw that. Broadwell will be using DDR3 still, right?

If so the first chip due for DDR4 will be the Haswell-E if that's the case, so early 2015... Will hate to see the price premium the memory will commend on that platform!
Kougar
Gerbil XP
 
Posts: 362
Joined: Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:12 am
Location: Texas

Re: Crucial will have DDR4 available by the end of the year

Postposted on Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:00 pm

DDR4 makes it easier to make higher density modules, because it requires less voltage so you aren't pushing the silicon as hard. Which means more you can more DIMM chips out of the wafer. That's why DDR3 4GiB and 8GiB unbuffered DIMMs exist and are affordable while DDR2 only got as far as 4GiB as FB-DIMMs before it became too cost prohibitive to go any further.
Ivy Bridge i5-3570K@4.0Ghz, Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H, 2x4GiB of PC-12800, EVGA 660Ti, Corsair CX-600 and Fractal Refined R4 (W). Kentsfield Q6600@3Ghz, HD 4850 2x2GiB PC2-6400, Gigabyte EP45-DS4P, OCZ Modstream 700W, and PC-7B.
Krogoth
Maximum Gerbil
Silver subscriber
 
 
Posts: 4439
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2003 3:20 pm
Location: somewhere on Core Prime

Re: Crucial will have DDR4 available by the end of the year

Postposted on Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:12 pm

i7-4770K, H70, Gryphon Z87, 16 GiB, R9-290, SSD, 2 HD, Blu-ray, SB ZX, TJ08-E, SS-660XP², 3007WFP+2001FP, RK-9000BR, MX518
JustAnEngineer
Gerbil God
Gold subscriber
 
 
Posts: 15489
Joined: Sat Jan 26, 2002 7:00 pm
Location: The Heart of Dixie

Re: Crucial will have DDR4 available by the end of the year

Postposted on Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:12 am

JustAnEngineer wrote:I've been buying 1.35 V DDR3. Am I halfway there already?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820148663


Also running a kit of that 1.35v Ballistix Sport but in 32GB. I still can't get over how freaking tiny those modules are.... the literal definition of what "low-profile" should have been. Any shorter and the sticks wouldn't even be able to latch into the slots!!

Which now makes me wonder... if Ballistix Sport modules can be condensed to almost half the height of a typical DIMM, then it looks like we could already use a new form-factor for DDR modules. Best time to introduce one is with a new memory standard...
Kougar
Gerbil XP
 
Posts: 362
Joined: Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:12 am
Location: Texas


Return to Motherboards, Chipsets, & RAM

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Yahoo [Bot] and 3 guests