Personal computing discussed
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confusedpenguin wrote:I guess that makes sense. Instead of, "We will store your important files for you", it's "Keep you data safe in the cloud". Then cloud computing must be a friendly term for what used to be known as "mainframe and dumb terminal", i.e. chromebooks being a well-known remanifestation of dumb terminals.
just brew it! wrote:There's no hard and fast rule. A network becomes a "cloud" when the marketing department says it is a cloud.
Captain Ned wrote:"Cloud" means your data storage is no longer on a server in a physical site you own/control/monitor/secure, but is on some server of which you have no clue as to its physical location. Drives us financial regulators batty.
Flying Fox wrote:Except when you are running a "private cloud", meaning your own data centre holds the data. That is why the term is whatever you label it as.
just brew it! wrote:Flying Fox wrote:Except when you are running a "private cloud", meaning your own data centre holds the data. That is why the term is whatever you label it as.
Yes, I would say that the birth of the phrase "private cloud" was the point at which "cloud" as a technical term ceased to have any real meaning. Not that it was particularly well-defined even before that; it's always been somewhat nebulous... like a cloud!
Flying Fox wrote:A lot of TR gerbils already hopped on the bandwagon of networked/shared storage at their homes to serve multiple computers. Some even expose them through the internet (FTP, SMB, streaming, RDP, or whatever other protocols). In that sense, they all have their own little private clouds already, before the term was overloaded by "industry pundits".
Captain Ned wrote:They call that the "public" cloud. And then there is the hybrid cloud, where your computing infrastructure and data may live in both. It is very cloudy.Flying Fox wrote:A lot of TR gerbils already hopped on the bandwagon of networked/shared storage at their homes to serve multiple computers. Some even expose them through the internet (FTP, SMB, streaming, RDP, or whatever other protocols). In that sense, they all have their own little private clouds already, before the term was overloaded by "industry pundits".
Whereas I draw two distinct levels of cloud. You may own a "cloud" that your clusers think of as a cloud, but the data farm is still completely within your control. Then there's the big "cloud", where your data goes to points unknown and unverifiable. It's the latter that drives this financial regulator nuts as it flies in the face of existing information security regs (c.f. GLBA) that require strict security controls and auditing on all data storage. How can one audit one's information security if you don't know where to find it in meatspace?
Flying Fox wrote:They call that the "public" cloud. And then there is the hybrid cloud, where your computing infrastructure and data may live in both. It is very cloudy.
Captain Ned wrote:Truth be told, I'd be happier if they did the 3-letter Agency thing and ran dual pipes (1 secure, 1 unsecure) to every desk with external access. I've got one institution that won't even trust KVMs and has two complete boxen on the desk for the few allowed direct external access.
Krogoth wrote:Cloud computing = terminal computing with a new "brand" name.
Cloud aspect comes from internet being depicted as a "cloud" on network topology/flowcharts.
Captain Ned wrote:Krogoth wrote:Cloud computing = terminal computing with a new "brand" name.
Cloud aspect comes from internet being depicted as a "cloud" on network topology/flowcharts.
Captain Ned is not impressed. Already discussed many posts above.
Captain Ned wrote:It's the latter that drives this financial regulator nuts as it flies in the face of existing information security regs (c.f. GLBA) that require strict security controls and auditing on all data storage. How can one audit one's information security if you don't know where to find it in meatspace?
Scrotos wrote:Captain Ned wrote:Normally we give y'all the executive summary of that company's SSAE 16 and you check off a box on your sheet and move on to the next thing. ;DIt's the latter that drives this financial regulator nuts as it flies in the face of existing information security regs (c.f. GLBA) that require strict security controls and auditing on all data storage. How can one audit one's information security if you don't know where to find it in meatspace?