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firerules16 wrote:Hi all. So I just completed a build, and I have been rather unhappy with it. I was one of the unlucky ones that got a very poor overclocking 4770k. Try as I might, I could not get my system stable at anything more than 4.0 ghz at 1.2 volts. I could go higher of course, but then my system could not handle the heat. My system would start throttling immediately in AIDA 64's FPU test at anything more than 1.2 volts. Core 0 in particular was extremely bad, running 15 degrees hotter than any of the other cores.
In my frustration, I had had enough and decided to delid my processor. After much research and thought, I decided to use the razor method, as banging away at my CPU's PCB with a block of wood and a hammer did not sit well with me. I took my sweet time and was able to delid the processor without so much as a nick on the PCB. Right away, I am very happy. I bumped my voltage up to 4.3 ghz at 1.25 volts, and I'm running AIDA 64's FPU test for 15 minutes+ now with a max temp of 90 degrees C with no throttling across all cores. I didn't have any liquid metal ultra to put on the core and had to settle for Noctua's TIM, but I plan to order some and am confident that will bring down temps even further.
So to quit my rambling, I am both very happy and at the same time very frustrated at Intel about this. They KNOW that Haswell runs hot compared to their previous chips, but they still kept Ivy's terrible TIM and epoxy setup for their CPUs. They should be ashamed of themselves that enthusiasts have taken to putting razor blades and vices / woodblocks to their CPUs.
Dang, son! I could hear your brass balls clanking all the way over here! Excellent work, and PLEASE provide pics!
firerules16 wrote:Update! I just received my Liquid Ultra and applied it to the CPU die. I have to say, I'm impressed. I was thermal throttling before the delid, pushing low to mid 90s after the delid and with Arctic Silver 5, and now... well, I'll share this picture and it should speak for itself.
http://i.imgur.com/ivQ4kbg.png
I have to say, I am impressed. It's now time to see how far I can take this crappy overclocking chip.
firerules16 wrote:So to quit my rambling, I am both very happy and at the same time very frustrated at Intel about this. They KNOW that Haswell runs hot compared to their previous chips, but they still kept Ivy's terrible TIM and epoxy setup for their CPUs. They should be ashamed of themselves that enthusiasts have taken to putting razor blades and vices / woodblocks to their CPUs.
BIF wrote:Dumb question:
For somebody planning to run at stock speeds, would delidding still be a worthwhile endeavor?
For example, somebody who folds 24/7 and wants to extend component life expectancy?
firerules16 wrote:So to quit my rambling, I am both very happy and at the same time very frustrated at Intel about this. They KNOW that Haswell runs hot compared to their previous chips, but they still kept Ivy's terrible TIM and epoxy setup for their CPUs. They should be ashamed of themselves that enthusiasts have taken to putting razor blades and vices / woodblocks to their CPUs.
just brew it! wrote:The existing TIM/epoxy are good enough for stock speeds. That's what Intel cares about, because 99%+ of their CPUs will be run at stock. If going above and beyond "good enough" to satisfy a tiny percentage of their customer base costs them extra money for production retooling and/or higher materials costs, then that is a bad business decision! Intel didn't get to be the dominant player in the CPU business by making bad decisions.
Kougar wrote:In Intel's opinion, said enthusiasts will pay more to buy into the X78 six-core high-end platform. That one gets the actual soldier treatment and doesn't have new features disabled on unlocked parts.
dodozoid wrote:Would you recomend liquid ultra for GPU?
firerules16 wrote:just brew it! wrote:The existing TIM/epoxy are good enough for stock speeds. That's what Intel cares about, because 99%+ of their CPUs will be run at stock. If going above and beyond "good enough" to satisfy a tiny percentage of their customer base costs them extra money for production retooling and/or higher materials costs, then that is a bad business decision! Intel didn't get to be the dominant player in the CPU business by making bad decisions.
While I definitely agree with you and understand the business side of it with Intel's decision, I've heard people talk about Haswell chips throttling at stock speeds with the stock CPU cooler. In my opinion, that should never happen.