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just brew it! wrote:There's an awful lot of infrastructure built up around X that they are not going to be able to duplicate any time soon. This sounds like a recipe for a train wreck to me.
cheesyking wrote:Presumably this is the result of the automated test system they're using these days.
What really does depress me is the number of times the word "beautiful" appears in the spec, this makes it sound like the marketing department has a hand in writing software specs which can't be a good thing
Flatland_Spider wrote:The rumors are they are going to fork the Android display manager.
Flatland_Spider wrote:They could also import Wayland's X11 layer, which would take care of current desktop applications.
codedivine wrote:I wonder also how Valve will react to this. AFAIK, they have been putting efforts to work with AMD and Nvidia to get their proprietary X drivers optimized. Well they also work with Intel, but my understanding is that Mir can reuse the existing Intel open-source drivers so Intel should not be an issue. Open-source radeon drivers also supposedly work with Mir.
just brew it! wrote:I still think Canonical has done more to raise awareness and adoption of Linux Ubuntu on the desktop
Deanjo wrote:Even when they announce support for a previously existing project, they make it sound as if it was their own *cough* Apparmor *cough*.
just brew it! wrote:I still think Canonical has done more to raise awareness and adoption of Linux on the desktop than all the other distros combined; they've also managed to put together a pretty solid distro that walks the line between stable (but outdated) and new features. Yes, I find some of what they're doing annoying; but if they piss me off too much I will just jump ship for Debian (I run KDE anyway so Unity doesn't even factor in).
jmcknight wrote:I know sacrifices need to be made, but by using Ubuntu they make a lot of assumptions about the users using it. Need RAID for example? Nope -- you're using Ubuntu.
just brew it! wrote:Deanjo wrote:Even when they announce support for a previously existing project, they make it sound as if it was their own *cough* Apparmor *cough*.
Yeah, Novell was doing such a great job of promoting AppArmor before Canonical decided to start using it...
Deanjo wrote:just brew it! wrote:Deanjo wrote:Even when they announce support for a previously existing project, they make it sound as if it was their own *cough* Apparmor *cough*.
Yeah, Novell was doing such a great job of promoting AppArmor before Canonical decided to start using it...
Novell did do a great job of promoting AppArmor (not to mention the excellent documentation that Ubuntu now enjoys on it). There are a ton of SuSE Enterprise heavy iron setups using it over SELinux because of this.
ermo wrote:Or to somehow displace Android or Apple's iOS + OS X line of products? Yeah, as if *that* is gonna happen this side of the Apocalypse.
End User wrote:Am I correct in stating that Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) will not use Mir?
just brew it! wrote:Novell also laid off nearly the entire AppArmor team shortly after its debut in SLES. If Ubuntu hadn't picked it up, would ongoing development even be funded?
Technologies of choice evolve, and our platform evolves both to lead (today our focus is on the cloud and on mobile, and we are quite clearly leading GNU/Linux on both fronts)
Deanjo wrote:Another perfect example of Canonical's BS....
http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316Technologies of choice evolve, and our platform evolves both to lead (today our focus is on the cloud and on mobile, and we are quite clearly leading GNU/Linux on both fronts)
LMFAO, ummmm wut? I'm sure google / redhat would quite disagree with you Mark.
End User wrote:
I'm guessing Mark believes that Android, as shipped from Google, is not open so it is not included in his vision of what GNU/Linux is. Red Hat is not targeting their OS for use on mobile devices so Ubuntu is definitely in the lead there. As far as Linux on servers is concerned it appears that Ubuntu's main rivals are Debian and CentOS, not Red Hat.
just brew it! wrote:A truly open mobile platform probably won't fly anyway, for political reasons. I'm guessing the mobile service providers won't allow it.
Deanjo wrote:End User wrote:
I'm guessing Mark believes that Android, as shipped from Google, is not open so it is not included in his vision of what GNU/Linux is. Red Hat is not targeting their OS for use on mobile devices so Ubuntu is definitely in the lead there. As far as Linux on servers is concerned it appears that Ubuntu's main rivals are Debian and CentOS, not Red Hat.
If that is what Mark believes then again he is completely ignorant as to what is happening under his own roof. Canonical's "efforts" into mobile are just as restrictive as Android (perhaps even more so with their contributor license agreement).
Why does Canonical ask contributors to send in the agreement?
Canonical both uses and distributes software around the world to other organisations and users. We need to make sure we and our users are legally entitled to distribute software that includes your contributed code, in a way that will hold for all end-users, wherever in the world they might be.
Who owns the copyright?
The existing contribution owner continues to own their copyright. This is usually yourself, or your employer. Section 2.1(a) states the following:
“You retain ownership of the Copyright in Your Contribution and have the same rights to use or license the Contribution which You would have had without entering into the Agreement.”
Can I contribute the same code to other projects as well?
Yes. You retain the full rights to redistribute your own code as you wish. The agreement is not exclusive and you may contribute what you write to as many other projects or organisations as you wish to share it with.
Deanjo wrote:Redhat and SuSE are huge in cloud and eons ahead of anything Canonical has scrapped together.
Deanjo wrote:Another perfect example of Canonical's BS....
http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316Technologies of choice evolve, and our platform evolves both to lead (today our focus is on the cloud and on mobile, and we are quite clearly leading GNU/Linux on both fronts)
LMFAO, ummmm wut? I'm sure google / redhat would quite disagree with you Mark.