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A8-7600 Kaveri availability

Postposted on Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:40 am

Tech Report and other sites reviewed the A8-7600 Kaveri back in mid-January. I haven't seen any sight of this processor. NewEgg and Amazon don't have any listing for it. Any idea on when this will show up?
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Re: A8-7600 Kaveri availability

Postposted on Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:27 pm

Theoretically it should be out this month... TR will likely report on it once it is available.
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Re: A8-7600 Kaveri availability

Postposted on Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:06 pm

Do you really really want one?

Kaveri's not a great fit for the desktop. It doesn't offer much other than a minor bump over previous FM2 options using Piledriver and VLIW graphics.

Unless you already have a teeny-tiny FM2 mITX PC that's too small for even a half-height expansion card, just buy a discrete GPU.
Even with the best option (an HD7750) being overpriced thanks to cryptocurrency or whatever reasons, there are Nvidia options that cost less than Kaveri's premium alongside fancy RAM
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Re: A8-7600 Kaveri availability

Postposted on Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:37 pm

Looking to update my HTPC. I currently have a Sempron there that I currently only use with Windows Media Center. I have a separate Intel based gaming PC with a discrete card.

Thinking it might be nice to do some gaming in the living room with the kids (think Lego LOTR type of games). I also like the low power option for a PC that is on all of the time. Seems like it would be a good upgrade for that scenario.
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Re: A8-7600 Kaveri availability

Postposted on Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:47 pm

I'm with ratborg, Kaveri could be interesting in that scenario. I hope once the 65W CPUs are out that the higher-power ones will dip down to their projected street price. AMD has to be getting killed by Intel at the prices they're charging for FM2+ CPUs right now.

Between the high prices and the scarcity of lower-power models, I have to think Kaveri yields aren't where they need to be yet. Yikes.

If only a mythical APU with GCN graphics and quad Stars cores on 28nm existed...even at 3.5GHz it'd be better than anything else they sell right now.
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Re: A8-7600 Kaveri availability

Postposted on Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:01 pm

derFunkenstein wrote:Between the high prices and the scarcity of lower-power models, I have to think Kaveri yields aren't where they need to be yet. Yikes.


I say we blame the TSMC, it's the right thing to do ;)
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Re: A8-7600 Kaveri availability

Postposted on Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:39 pm

anotherengineer wrote:
derFunkenstein wrote:Between the high prices and the scarcity of lower-power models, I have to think Kaveri yields aren't where they need to be yet. Yikes.


I say we blame the TSMC, it's the right thing to do ;)


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Re: A8-7600 Kaveri availability

Postposted on Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:08 am

Well, Kaveri's niche is GPU power in something that's too small for even half-height cards.
If that's your niche, then there are no better alternatives.

If that's not your niche, nobody is stopping you from still buying Kaveri because it will work just fine; We're just pointing out that it's not the best option.
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Re: A8-7600 Kaveri availability

Postposted on Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:17 am

Chrispy_ wrote:Well, Kaveri's niche is GPU power in something that's too small for even half-height cards.
If that's your niche, then there are no better alternatives.

If that's not your niche, nobody is stopping you from still buying Kaveri because it will work just fine; We're just pointing out that it's not the best option.


Yeah, I thought about it for a while and was hard pressed to find a situation where something else wouldn't work better for my needs. This might be it...
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Re: A8-7600 Kaveri availability

Postposted on Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:27 am

Well Q1 has come and gone. Maybe Q2? I was looking to upgrade my HTPC maybe I should consider a low-power Haswell.
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Re: A8-7600 Kaveri availability

Postposted on Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:31 am

ratborg wrote:Well Q1 has come and gone. Maybe Q2? I was looking to upgrade my HTPC maybe I should consider a low-power Haswell.


What are you current running? If graphics are not priority, you can't go wrong with the Haswell for sure.
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Re: A8-7600 Kaveri availability

Postposted on Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:42 am

Currently I have a AMD Sempron with 760G embedded graphics. It works great with Windows Media Center/Netflix/Hulu/etc. but I was looking to add some lite gaming (think something like Lego LOTR). without having to add a graphics card. The machine is on 24/7 so the low power and graphics capability of the A8-7600 looked good. My only concern with a 35W Haswell would be the need for an additional card for gaming.
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Re: A8-7600 Kaveri availability

Postposted on Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:47 am

ratborg wrote:Currently I have a AMD Sempron with 760G embedded graphics. It works great with Windows Media Center/Netflix/Hulu/etc. but I was looking to add some lite gaming (think something like Lego LOTR). without having to add a graphics card. The machine is on 24/7 so the low power and graphics capability of the A8-7600 looked good. My only concern with a 35W Haswell would be the need for an additional card for gaming.


Are you money constrained? If not, you could add any Haswell you want, the high end parts have similar TDP as the Kaveri ones, although the gaming performance won't be equal, it can be decent for light gaming at 720p. If you choose one with 4600 HD graphics, which are adequate.
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Re: A8-7600 Kaveri availability

Postposted on Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:56 am

OK, looks like my earlier post [suggesting it would be out in March] was wrong. Still no A8-7600 available anywhere that I can find it online, including at the websites of the usual suspects.

Maybe by the end of this month?? Buehler???
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another low TDP paper launch, they didn't learn...

Postposted on Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:08 pm

When you can walk into a microcenter, grab a 4340 and combine it with a couple good ITX board choices that include space for a proper heatsink for ~$200, kaveri is a non-starter.
It really doesn't help when one of the ideal uses is a small system but all the FM2+ ITX boards kinda suck one way or another.

They even had 7850K for $130 special during launch (not counting bundle discount either) but at the time none of the boards in their stores had updated bios so it was a paperweight. Newegg was shipping old bios boards the first few weeks too, amd failed to check on its launch partners yet again.
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Re: A8-7600 Kaveri availability

Postposted on Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:40 pm

That's great if you live close to Microcenter.
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Re: another low TDP paper launch, they didn't learn...

Postposted on Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:50 pm

Bauxite wrote:They even had 7850K for $130 special during launch (not counting bundle discount either) but at the time none of the boards in their stores had updated bios so it was a paperweight. Newegg was shipping old bios boards the first few weeks too, amd failed to check on its launch partners yet again.

My A10-7850K didn't need a current one on the FM2A88X Extreme6+. I just popped it in, updated the UEFI and everything worked fine.

And I got the mobo a month before the processor heh.
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another bleh amd cpu launch

Postposted on Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:15 pm

derFunkenstein wrote:That's great if you live close to Microcenter.


The price differential isn't quite as much at newegg et al, but you still get a cheaper and better low-volume low-power oriented computer going haswell right now. That is bad for amd which usually can win on at least one of those fronts in that price bracket.

A "55W" haswell spanks a "95W" kaveri on lower power and less heat while filling the same requirements for most htpc use. The "65/45W" is still not for sale, otherwise there might be a contest, it is Q2 right now if anyone cares.
(quotes because TDP is fuzzy marketing bullcrap now)

My A10-7850K didn't need a current one on the FM2A88X Extreme6+. I just popped it in, updated the UEFI and everything worked fine.


I was in the process of buying said cheap 7850K, but on the launch week not a single ITX nor uATX at microcenter had a bios officially ready for kaveri, really ticked me off. (was checking version numbers on my phone, all lower than what asus/gigabye/asrock websites showed as supporting kaveri)
I didn't check any of the ATX boards, having a rather large motherboard and full case just to house an APU seems wasteful, kills a lot of build ideas for sure.

Going by newegg reviews, the 2 ITX boards I really wanted at the time were also sometimes shipped with a non-booting Kaveri bios for at least 2 weeks post launch, so that was not a safe option either.
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Re: A8-7600 Kaveri availability

Postposted on Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:22 pm

Yeah I'm not saying that was true for everyone, obviously. Just saying I don't think everything had to be marked as Kaveri ready to work.
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Re: A8-7600 Kaveri availability

Postposted on Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:47 pm

When you can walk into a microcenter, grab a 4340 and combine it with a couple good ITX board choices that include space for a proper heatsink for ~$200,


Newegg lists the i3-4340 for $159 right now http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116944. What combination of motherboard and "proper" heatsink can I get for 40 bucks?

I have multiple other systems with Intel CPUs (gaming rig with Ivy Bridge, laptops, etc) so I'm not deadset on AMD. Having said that I do think it's good to support multiple vendors. Additionally I've had two previous HTPC systems built with AMD graphics and have been happy with the viewing quality.

The A8-7600 seemed like a good fit for what I wanted to go with to upgrade the system. And if it was available I would have probably purchased already. If it's not out by the end of the month I will probably go with a Haswell system.
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Re: A8-7600 Kaveri availability

Postposted on Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:46 pm

I don't mean to sound rude, but if you don't have a firm budget going with the A10-7850K can be a great solution since you're planning to do some light gaming in the living room. It runs Battlefield 4 at medium setting, averaging 30+ FPS so I'm pretty sure other, less demanding games will run nicely.
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Re: A8-7600 Kaveri availability

Postposted on Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:12 pm

Warsam71 wrote:I don't mean to sound rude, but if you don't have a firm budget going with the A10-7850K can be a great solution since you're planning to do some light gaming in the living room. It runs Battlefield 4 at medium setting, averaging 30+ FPS so I'm pretty sure other, less demanding games will run nicely.

And you can change the TDP to 65W in the UEFI iirc.

Weird feature if you ask me since you'll rarely hit 95W anyway, but I guess if you're using lesser HSF stuff it might be important.
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Re: A8-7600 Kaveri availability

Postposted on Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:17 pm

Warsam71 wrote:I don't mean to sound rude, but if you don't have a firm budget going with the A10-7850K can be a great solution since you're planning to do some light gaming in the living room. It runs Battlefield 4 at medium setting, averaging 30+ FPS so I'm pretty sure other, less demanding games will run nicely.


We could use a statement from AMD about what happened to the 7600 you know. Especially when your employer went out of its way to send TechReport a 7600 system* for review but didn't bother to give TR the 7850K chip until right before the NDA release when it was too late to use it for full benchmarks. It kind of smacks of bait-n-switch when your company wants TR to review product A but then you turn around and urge people to buy the (conveniently more expensive) product B instead.


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Re: A8-7600 Kaveri availability

Postposted on Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:24 pm

chuckula wrote:
Warsam71 wrote:I don't mean to sound rude, but if you don't have a firm budget going with the A10-7850K can be a great solution since you're planning to do some light gaming in the living room. It runs Battlefield 4 at medium setting, averaging 30+ FPS so I'm pretty sure other, less demanding games will run nicely.


We could use a statement from AMD about what happened to the 7600 you know. Especially when your employer went out of its way to send TechReport a 7600 system* for review but didn't bother to give TR the 7850K chip until right before the NDA release when it was too late to use it for full benchmarks. It kind of smacks of bait-n-switch when your company wants TR to review product A but then you turn around and urge people to buy the (conveniently more expensive) product B instead.


* Yes, a full-blown system, not just the chip + motherboard.


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I'm under NDA and can't provide more information about the A8-7600 APU release date, I'll get in trouble if I do (I hope you understand). However, I will make sure to let you and everyone here at TTR know about any updates.
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Re: A8-7600 Kaveri availability

Postposted on Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:56 pm

Hello again everyone (chuckula),

Here is the statement regarding the availability of our A8-7600 APU:

“Production of the AMD A8-7600 is on track and will be available first to AMD’s OEM customers in Q1 2014, to ensure the introduction of AMD based systems in Q2 2014. Additional parts of the AMD A8-7600 for PIB production will be available for sale in the component channel in 2H 2014.”
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Re: A8-7600 Kaveri availability

Postposted on Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:43 pm

Warsam71 wrote:Hello again everyone (chuckula),

Here is the statement regarding the availability of our A8-7600 APU:

“Production of the AMD A8-7600 is on track and will be available first to AMD’s OEM customers in Q1 2014, to ensure the introduction of AMD based systems in Q2 2014. Additional parts of the AMD A8-7600 for PIB production will be available for sale in the component channel in 2H 2014.”



Thanks for at least making that statement. I'm a little taken aback that we'll have to wait at least 3 more months to get the 7600 though.
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Re: A8-7600 Kaveri availability

Postposted on Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:10 pm

chuckula wrote:
Warsam71 wrote:Hello again everyone (chuckula),

Here is the statement regarding the availability of our A8-7600 APU:

“Production of the AMD A8-7600 is on track and will be available first to AMD’s OEM customers in Q1 2014, to ensure the introduction of AMD based systems in Q2 2014. Additional parts of the AMD A8-7600 for PIB production will be available for sale in the component channel in 2H 2014.”



Thanks for at least making that statement. I'm a little taken aback that we'll have to wait at least 3 more months to get the 7600 though.


You are welcome Chuckula,

I'll do my best to keep you and everyone here at TTR updated as I'm pretty sure we'll have more information to share as we approach that time frame.
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Re: A8-7600 Kaveri availability

Postposted on Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:02 pm

I think it's disappointing that the 7600 was supplied to all the tech sites to review but then only the A10-78xx's were available for purchase (the higher price components). I wonder if AMD is having process problems getting the chips to run in the lower TDP thresholds.
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