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Dudara wrote:This is what i came up with, can anyone check if this build would actually be any good ? and help me decide on a few things that i wrote down.
Motherboard: MSI Z97-Gaming 5 ($157.99)
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99)
Graphics: Asus GeForce GTX 780 3GB DirectCU II Video Card ($478.80)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($71.10)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series SV300S37A/120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) OR Crucial
CT128MX100SSD1 ? Help me choose ($109.99 or $80.98)
Storage: Western Digital WD10EZEX ($59.99)
Power Supply: Antec HCG M 850W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99)
Disc burner: ASUS 24X DVD Burner ($19.99) (or can you install windows without it ? just with the key? )
Case: APEX PCV-588 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ($59.99) or Coolermaster Storm Enforcer Mid Tower ATX Case ($69.99)
Total: $1267.83
superjawes wrote:Welcome to TR, by the way. Have you looked at the System Guide yet?
But before we recommend components, what it your monitor's resolution? The 780 is a great card, yes, but it is complete overkill if you only have a 1080p monitor.
superjawes wrote:Welcome to TR, by the way. Have you looked at the System Guide yet?
But before we recommend components, what it your monitor's resolution? The 780 is a great card, yes, but it is complete overkill if you only have a 1080p monitor.
superjawes wrote:Welcome to TR, by the way. Have you looked at the System Guide yet?
But before we recommend components, what it your monitor's resolution? The 780 is a great card, yes, but it is complete overkill if you only have a 1080p monitor.
homerdog wrote:Even games today can stress a 780 at 1080p.
Losergamer04 wrote:Get a $200 card now and a $200 card in a few years when your card needs upgrading.
Dudara wrote:superjawes wrote:Welcome to TR, by the way. Have you looked at the System Guide yet?
But before we recommend components, what it your monitor's resolution? The 780 is a great card, yes, but it is complete overkill if you only have a 1080p monitor.
BenQ XL2720Z 1080 p yup. Going to get it because of the 144hz it has and the fast response time + contrast.
And yes, yesterday looked at the system guide video
Losergamer04 wrote:superjawes wrote:Welcome to TR, by the way. Have you looked at the System Guide yet?
But before we recommend components, what it your monitor's resolution? The 780 is a great card, yes, but it is complete overkill if you only have a 1080p monitor.
But what if he's looking to "future proof?" To which I'd say, "Get a $200 card now and a $200 card in a few years when your card needs upgrading." OK, I'll stop talking to myself. Agreed, superjawes, important to know.
homerdog wrote:[*]ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
$19.99
[*]COOLER MASTER N Series NSE-200-KKN1 Midnight Black Plastic bezel with mesh, steel case body MicroATX, Mini -ITX Computer
$49.99
[*]Western Digital WD Blue WD10EZEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive - OEM
$59.99
[*]MSI Gaming N780 TF 3GD5/OC GeForce GTX 780 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support Video Card
$479.99
[*]SeaSonic S12II 520 Bronze 520W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS 12V V2.91 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
$59.99
[*]Team Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model TXD316G1600HC9DC-V
$129.99
[*]ASRock Z97M Pro4 LGA 1150 Intel Z97 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
$99.99
[*]Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM
$99.99
[*]Crucial MX100 CT256MX100SSD1 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
$111.99
[*]Intel Intel Xeon E3-1230V3 Haswell 3.3GHz LGA 1150 80W Quad-Core Server Processor BX80646E31230V3
$249.99
Subtotal: $1,361.90
You could drop to 8GB DDR3 to get under $1300. The mobo has 4 DIMM slots so you could add another 8GB later if you want.
Dudara wrote:3. $1300 (that includes windows 7, win8 can burn in hell).
Prestige Worldwide wrote:You should get Windows 8.1.
Just get ClassicShell, Start8, or StartisBack to get your Windows 7-style start menu back and disable the "metro" apps as default programs for images, videos, music, etc.
It is much better than Win 7 under the hood and you will benefit by better multithreaded performance that is already apparent in games like Battlefield 4.
homerdog wrote:Even games today can stress a 780 at 1080p. Going forward it will only get worse.
homerdog wrote:However if he needs a monitor dropping to a 4GB GTX770 wouldn't be the end of the world. I wouldn't get a GPU with <3GB these days.
superjawes wrote:Prestige Worldwide wrote:You should get Windows 8.1.
Just get ClassicShell, Start8, or StartisBack to get your Windows 7-style start menu back and disable the "metro" apps as default programs for images, videos, music, etc.
It is much better than Win 7 under the hood and you will benefit by better multithreaded performance that is already apparent in games like Battlefield 4.
I run vanilla Win 8.1, and while I have complaints, they are pretty trivial. The latest update lets me hit WinKey > Shutdown Settings, and the next update should bring back the Start Menu and put the Modern UI apps in windows, IIRC. In the mentime, I just make sure that I'm using the non-MUI version.
So like I said, the complaints are trivial, and for that minor trouble I get performance increases. If someone already has a 7 license, I see no need to upgrade to 8.1, but I also see no reason for getting a new 7 license over 8.1.homerdog wrote:Even games today can stress a 780 at 1080p. Going forward it will only get worse.
Not really...if a game isn't running well @ 1080p on a 780, chances are the game is the problem, not the GPU.homerdog wrote:However if he needs a monitor dropping to a 4GB GTX770 wouldn't be the end of the world. I wouldn't get a GPU with <3GB these days.
That VRAM is more useful for denser textures (meaning higher resolutions). It isn't going to be as useful at 1080p.
A GTX 760 is perfectly suited for 1080p gaming, and that will save you about $230 (if you go with the one linked in the System Guide). You could put that cash aside for later and upgrade your entire visual setup with higher resolution and/or GSync monitor later paired with a beefier card.
Dudara wrote:Why that processor ?
superjawes wrote:A GTX 760 is perfectly suited for 1080p gaming, and that will save you about $230 (if you go with the one linked in the System Guide). You could put that cash aside for later and upgrade your entire visual setup with higher resolution and/or GSync monitor later paired with a beefier card.
homerdog wrote:Dudara wrote:Why that processor ?
It's basically an i7 for $50 less.superjawes wrote:A GTX 760 is perfectly suited for 1080p gaming, and that will save you about $230 (if you go with the one linked in the System Guide). You could put that cash aside for later and upgrade your entire visual setup with higher resolution and/or GSync monitor later paired with a beefier card.
Would still get a 4GB 760. I have a 2GB 670 and in some games I can tell it's not enough at 1080p. And in the next year you're going to want 3+GB for sure. That's why I'll be swapping in the 7950 from my secondary rig shortly.
The R9 280 is the best value card right now IMO.
Dudara wrote:What kind of a power supply would i need for the 760 and 780 for it to not be a huge overkill ? And if i get the 760 and then want to upgrade it to a 780 for example, would it be better to leave the 760 and just sli them together ? or is that only good if they're the same type of card?
Dudara wrote:Btw how good are amd processors compared to intel's ? bang for the buck etc.
All their products are like mercedes cars to me, i see some numbers and letters, that don't make any freakin sense some processors FX 3094, seems like they just don't like naming things like intel and nvidia does.
and same with video cards ofc, nvidia is easy to understand and then you get to radeon... which has the weirdest names ever.
Dudara wrote:Btw how good are amd processors compared to intel's ? bang for the buck etc.
Dudara wrote:What kind of a power supply would i need for the 760 and 780 for it to not be a huge overkill ? And if i get the 760 and then want to upgrade it to a 780 for example, would it be better to leave the 760 and just sli them together ? or is that only good if they're the same type of card?
superjawes wrote:Dudara wrote:Btw how good are amd processors compared to intel's ? bang for the buck etc.
Don't buy an AMD processor. They run hotter and are generally less powerful than Intel processors. The video cards are good and provide a good rivalry between Radeon and GeForce. (This is probably because AMD graphics was ATI before.)Dudara wrote:What kind of a power supply would i need for the 760 and 780 for it to not be a huge overkill ? And if i get the 760 and then want to upgrade it to a 780 for example, would it be better to leave the 760 and just sli them together ? or is that only good if they're the same type of card?
You can only put two cards in SLI (or Crossfire for AMD cards) if they are the same. Two 760's, 770, 780's, etc. However, we almost never recommend SLI/Crossfire here because you aren't going to double your performance, and such setups are going to draw more power and run hotter than just getting a single, faster card.
On power supplies, I will need sometone to link to the PSU calculator because I don't have it bookmarked on this computer...you can probably go ahead and crunch the numbers for a 780 Ti to have enough overhead. Extra watts won't cost that much. The big thing to look for is making sure that you get the right number of PCIe power connectors for the upgrad card.
Side note: Be sure to sanity check all of the recommendations here. Most of us are in the US, and I personally don't know if you're going to get hit with local fees and taxes. The prices could also be different. Demand for Radeon cards drove up prices here in the US for several months, but Europe and Australia were unaffected.
Dudara wrote:Motherboard: MSI Z97-Gaming 5 ($157.99)
In another thread, I wrote:I like the Asus Gryphon Z97, but the MSI Z97M-G43 is cheapest, at $115½.micro-ATX: Asus Gryphon Z97 or Maximus VII Gene, MSI Z97M-G43 or Z97M Gaming, Gigabyte GA-Z97MX-Gaming 5 or ASRock Z97M OC
Dudara wrote:It's tough to recommend such an expensive graphics card for 1920x1080. How about a $370 Radeon R9-290 4GB card, instead? The AMD Radeon graphics card offers better bang for your buck than the NVidia GeForce graphics card does. A $230 Radeon R9-280 3GB would still be more than fast enough for the low resolution of the monitor that you have selected.Graphics: Asus GeForce GTX 780 3GB ($478.80)
Dudara wrote:$80 2x4 GiB PC3-14900 G.Skill Ares F3-1866C9D-8GAB (DDR3-1866, CAS 9, 1.5 V)Memory: 2x4 GiB PC3-17000 G.Skill Ripjaws-X F3-2133C10D-8GXM (DDR3-2133, CAS 10, 1.6 V) ($71.10)
Dudara wrote:$140 3.0 TB Hitachi HGST Deskstar NAS H3IKNAS30003272SN(0S03660) 7200 rpm hard-driveStorage: 3.0 TB Western Digital WD Green WD30EZRX 5400rpm Hard Drive ($129.99)
Dudara wrote:$65 Corsair CX600M (80+Bronze, 46 Amperes)Power Supply: Antec HCG M 850W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99)
JustAnEngineer wrote:Dudara wrote:It's tough to recommend such an expensive graphics card for 1920x1080. How about a $370 Radeon R9-290 4GB card, instead? The AMD Radeon graphics card offers better bang for your buck than the NVidia GeForce graphics card does. A $230 Radeon R9-280 3GB would still be more than fast enough for the low resolution of the monitor that you have selected.Graphics: Asus GeForce GTX 780 3GB ($478.80)
Dudara wrote:superjawes wrote:Welcome to TR, by the way. Have you looked at the System Guide yet?
But before we recommend components, what it your monitor's resolution? The 780 is a great card, yes, but it is complete overkill if you only have a 1080p monitor.
BenQ XL2720Z 1080 p yup. Going to get it because of the 144hz it has and the fast response time + contrast.
And yes, yesterday looked at the system guide video
Dudara wrote:It's tough to recommend such an expensive graphics card for 1920x1080. How about a $370 Radeon R9-290 4GB card, instead? The AMD Radeon graphics card offers better bang for your buck than the NVidia GeForce graphics card does. A $230 Radeon R9-280 3GB would still be more than fast enough for the low resolution of the monitor that you have selected.Graphics: Asus GeForce GTX 780 3GB ($478.80)
Dudara wrote:Watched a few gameplay videos with the card and well... sadly i heard nothing but bad, it could run everything, but it sooner or later crashed, lagged the game and basically just went nilly willy all over the place, sounds like it has horrible build quality and drivers :/
If i get a gtx 760 will that run everything on ultra ? and get max fps in csgo ?