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Kougar wrote:I can't really say, when I buy a CPU I stick with it. Oddly enough in the past when I'd do an upgrade at all then it was usually the motherboard that got upgraded and not the CPU. Usually by the time it's worthwhile to upgrade the processor it's no longer compatible with the old motherboard anyway.
Like with my E6300, I had a Gigabyte 965P-DS3 chipset board. Was a great, cheap budget board but it had a slight coil whine problem at really high FSBs so I upgraded to a midrange P35 chipset board with solid caps. That board let me run that E6300 at 3.8Ghz and I stuck with that for a few years until Q6600 prices got really cheap. I did keep using that P35 board with the Q6600 come to think of it. Amazing the socket didn't melt a hole clean through the motherboard on it really...
f0d wrote:as the subject has changed from the longest lasting motherboard to your total computer history
The Egg wrote:Since more frequent socket changes discourage or prevent mid-cycle CPU upgrades, it's unquestionably costing Intel sales.
just brew it! wrote:The Egg wrote:Since more frequent socket changes discourage or prevent mid-cycle CPU upgrades, it's unquestionably costing Intel sales.
What percentage of Intel's CPU sales do you figure are used to upgrade existing motherboards? I'd be willing to bet the percentage is very small. And don't forget, they make motherboard chipsets too; so the lost CPU sales may be partially offset by chipset sales, when people decide to upgrade even though it means they need to replace the motherboard.
The Egg wrote:just brew it! wrote:The Egg wrote:Since more frequent socket changes discourage or prevent mid-cycle CPU upgrades, it's unquestionably costing Intel sales.
What percentage of Intel's CPU sales do you figure are used to upgrade existing motherboards? I'd be willing to bet the percentage is very small. And don't forget, they make motherboard chipsets too; so the lost CPU sales may be partially offset by chipset sales, when people decide to upgrade even though it means they need to replace the motherboard.
Overall it's miniscule, but if you limit the discussion to just retail boxed CPUs I'm sure they could stand to improve a bit. I would also imagine that their margins on retail boxed CPUs are much better than what they're getting for bulk chipset sales to board makers.
To use myself as an example, I'm not much of an OC'er, so if I were able to slap a Haswell in my P67, I might very well consider it. Since I can't, it might be years before Intel sees any more money from me.
Chrispy_ wrote:A new CPU gives more performance, but in this era of "fast enough" computing, sometimes what people need is new features. I've changed a board before to take advantage of some DDR3 that was lying around, instead of buying more old DDR2,
Chrispy_ wrote:and I've replaced a board for someone because it was cheaper to change the board than it would have been to buy a firewire card, wireless card, USB3 card and she had the extra benefit of faster booting (UEFI FTW!) and 6Gb/s SATA too.
vargis14 wrote:JBI going from a 8320 to a 8350 does not sound like it would be worth it even if you paid $50 for the cpu. You already know if you up your unlocked multiplier a tiny bit will turn your 8320 into a 8350 or better. Unless you got a really sucky chip in the silicone lottery.
morphine wrote:Am I the only one around here that's never really upgraded a CPU without upgrading the motherboard?
just brew it! wrote:The Egg wrote:Since more frequent socket changes discourage or prevent mid-cycle CPU upgrades, it's unquestionably costing Intel sales.
What percentage of Intel's CPU sales do you figure are used to upgrade existing motherboards? I'd be willing to bet the percentage is very small. And don't forget, they make motherboard chipsets too; so the lost CPU sales may be partially offset by chipset sales, when people decide to upgrade even though it means they need to replace the motherboard.
Hz so good wrote:Or, better still, "Screw 3DFX... My Riva 128 does OpenGL!" *facepalm*
Chrispy_ wrote:Nice. But did you actually use this "overclocking testbed" as a computer?It was my overclocking testbed that went through a trio of Durons (600, 650, 750), A 1GHz Thunderbird, a 1.4GHz Thoroughbred-B, a Barton XP-M 2500+ and finally, before retirement, a genuine XP 3200+
jihadjoe wrote:Lucky bastard. Took me some searching to find a 300A, and in the end I never managed to overclock it.Celeron 300A - 450
Celeron 366 - 550
Pentium III 600 - 800
Pentium III 700 - 933
meerkt wrote:Chrispy_ wrote:Nice. But did you actually use this "overclocking testbed" as a computer?It was my overclocking testbed that went through a trio of Durons (600, 650, 750), A 1GHz Thunderbird, a 1.4GHz Thoroughbred-B, a Barton XP-M 2500+ and finally, before retirement, a genuine XP 3200+
f0d wrote:hmm thats odd as my gigabyte 965 ds3p let me have around 460fsb no problems - no coil whine
as i mentioned in my post i used it with many cpu's e6600 q6600 q9300 qx9650 all in the same mobo
best motherboard i have ever owned
Captain Ned wrote:The only mobo I've owned with multiple CPUs was an old MSI KT400 in Socket A. Locking down a Socket A HSF was bad enough the first time, but to voluntarily do it twice was just wrong.
ThatStupidCat wrote:I've never upgraded a CPU mainly because of microshaft windows.
Now windows tic-toc seems to be speeding up which is making me want to look into a different OS for things that are not critical for work.
just brew it! wrote:The M3A78-CM was a fantastic little micro-ATX board for its day. Supported pretty much all AM2/AM2+/AM3 CPUs up through the Phenom II xxxxT (6-core) series via BIOS upgrades. Could take up to 8GB of DDR2 (back when 8GB was still considered to be a lot of RAM), and had proper support for ECC DIMMs. It could also do dual digital displays via the IGP (1 DVI + 1 DisplayPort), which is a rarity on inexpensive motherboards.
One of the M3A78-CMs was my primary home desktop for several years. The other was in an inexpensive system I originally threw together (everything except the motherboard came out of the spares pile) to take to work to have a secondary Linux box there. The one at the office currently has a 1090T in it, and still sees daily use. The M3A78-CM system at home is currently not in use, but is still 100% functional, and is about to get re-purposed for my new file server build.