Reorganization of the Forums

[Klyith]

1. Overclocking forum is redundant
I'm probably the only one that thinks this, but I think the Overclocking, tweaking forum is redundant. You're either overclocking and AMD, an Intel, an ATI, or an Nvidia. so post about overclocking in the respective forum.

I don't think that's a good idea. Most of the time overclocking depends on multiple components. CPU, mobo, and ram are often all a part of the porcess of getting the best overclock.

[flip-mode]

Kylith, that is true. But the vast majoity of the time, the the method of overclocking is largly dependant on the cpu platform. Mhz is less of a factor than latency with the A64, where as it is probably the opposite for Pentium 4. So pretty much every time you start to talk about overclocking the memory, one of the first questions you're going to be asked is about the cpu that you're running. Motherboard is dependant upon cpu. And the gfx cards are completely independant of the cpu/ram.

But, as I said, I'm not going to be suprised to encounter overwhelming opposition to this idea. And I don't particularly *have a problem* with it the way it is, so, I think I'll just let it rest anyway.

[Welch]

Not sure if any of you guys agree with me on this one. I do understand that CPU and Graphics belong in the same cataegory. But I just liked the catageory system that you guys had before mixing them together to be honest. Even though they are in the same order, it just feels like they are all scrambled together :?. I dont think the system before was bad at all, made it very very easy for people that were new to the forums to find exactly what they were looking for.. If anything they should be put back the way they were and just catageorize the other hardwares a bit more.

[FireGryphon]

The hardware section is a bit large and unwieldy. The forums are now logically grouped so I can't think about how they'd be rearranged, but it'd be nice to whittle Hardware down a bit.

[flip-mode]

meh, the hardware section is fine. I like it better now.

[bhtooefr]

Needs to be split into Processors (with the General Processors forum in there), Graphics (with General Graphics), and Other Hardware (with General Hardware), IMO.

[SpotTheCat]

The system builder forum is working quite well. It seems to be very popular with first-time posters, too.

[JustAnEngineer]

The system builder forum is working quite well.

The only drawback that I see is that almost every thread to which I reply shortly thereafter gets whisked off to System Builders Anonymous. I'm not intentionally collecting them. Honest!

[bhtooefr]

Yeah, that is one thing I've noticed.

We need to make it more clear that ANY requests for component selection should be made in SBA. I'm no mod, but something tells me that the mods' lives would be made easier if they weren't moving threads to SBA all day...

[flip-mode]

If you ask me (which you didn't ) the AMD and Intel forums are almost pointless. Not quite, but almost.

"Which Athlon should I use?" -> SBA
"How far can I OC this Pentium?" -> Overclocking, Cooling
"AMD's stock went down again" -> OK, that can stay

Wierd.

[LicketySplit]

"AMD's stock went down again" -> OK, that can stay.

Heh...up .60 cents today...im lovin it too

Get rid of the AMD forum and we would have to listen to you know who most of the time

[flip-mode]

"AMD's stock went down again" -> OK, that can stay.

Heh...up .60 cents today...im lovin it too

LOL, cool! Is there a thread in AMD Asylum yet?

[Welch]

Although I didnt think about it... The Intel and AMD forums are very close to pointless, he is right. But still yet, I think it gives people a sense of where to post their topics on each brand as they do vary so much these days, even more so with the advent of Dual Cores. I do miss having an ATI and Nvidia section under graphics..

The thing with the forums espeically including myself is that not to many people seem to be making posts to state things or give information out... its people (again like myself) asking questions out of the yeng yang in order to learn as much as possible. The point of the Intel/AMD and the likes is for people to state information about the topic area, not to ask for help. I agree that the majority of the threads created under any catageory almost always belongs under SBA. IMO id say that we need sections similar to before but reformed with a forums in each catageory for people to go get help on that target area if they need to. SBA shouldnt be for evey single little question about hardware for christ sakes, at that rate all of the other forums are virtually useless.

At this point I find it VERY difficult to come up with a good forum map. I have a basic idea of things, but it repeats itself which is of course what we do not need in TR.

Administration
-Announcements

Proccessors
-AMD
-Intel
-Proccessor Help

Graphics
-ATI
-Nvidia
-Graphics Help

Other Hardware
-Motherboards
-Sound Cards
-RAM
-Hard Drives
-Optical Drives
-Monitors

Overclocking, Tweaking & Cooling
-Proccessor
-Graphics
-System

Software
-Linux, Unix, and Assorted Madness
-Windows
-Developer's Den
-Software Help

The things you see saying "Help" at the end are supposed to be for people who specifically need help instead of putting every topic in SBA. When you see the brand or normal catageory, its supposed to be for discussion ect, not saying "OMG this isnt working" as i typically do. So lets review..

EXAMPLE
Nvidia Help = "OMG My 6600 is screwed, someone help me"
Nvidia = "The comparison between a 6800 LE and 6800 Vanilla"

Its a pretty simple concept and would allow for mods to not have to keep moving all posts to SBA... Im TOTALLY for someone revising the list i made above, it was a crude rough draft to give you an example.

[flip-mode]

I think its too finely aggregated.


Hardware
-Processors
-Graphics
-Other Hardware
-Overclocking, Cooling, Tweaking, Moding
-System Builders Anonymous

Software
-Linux, Unix, and Assorted Madness
-Windows
-OSX
-Developer's Den
-Other Software

Technology
-(leave as is except move Apple to software)

General Discussion
-(leave as is)

[flip-mode]

1. Overclocking forum is redundant
I'm probably the only one that thinks this, but I think the Overclocking, tweaking forum is redundant. You're either overclocking and AMD, an Intel, an ATI, or an Nvidia. so post about overclocking in the respective forum.

I don't think that's a good idea. Most of the time overclocking depends on multiple components. CPU, mobo, and ram are often all a part of the porcess of getting the best overclock.

Who is this Phlaim Beight joker? I find this individual to be very annoying.

[Welch]

I dont agree on the overclocking thing. I think that it should be seprate from all of the others. Having cooling, tweaking overclocking in one is a great idea as all of them go hand and hand, that forum is labeled properly as is now.

I will admit that what i posted for the layout is very maticulous at this point, but it was supposed to be. I liked the old way of doing it even though half of it didnt make sense, the half that I used was great. I want peoples feedback, people need to actually use their heads so that we can come up with something that makes sense. I would really like to see it change from what it is now, i still havent gotten used to it still dispite trying.

However, seprate forums for the two main brands of procs and GPU's would be a good idea. Otherwise people have to go into the same forums and pick through hoping to run into something they want to talk about. Id say keep them seprate with a catageory like "Other" or something to signifiy the trace of other brands.

Administration
-Announcements

Proccessors
-AMD
-Intel
-Other
-Proccessor Help

Graphics
-ATI
-Nvidia
-Other
-Graphics Help

Other Hardware
-Motherboards
-Sound Cards
-RAM
-Hard Drives
-Optical Drives
-Monitors
-Other Hardware
-Hardware Help

System Builder Annyomous (Help)
-New Build
-Upgrading

Overclocking, Tweaking & Cooling
-Proccessor
-Graphics
-System

Software
-Linux, Unix, and Assorted Madness
-Windows
-Developer's Den
-Software Help

Ok, changed a little bit. Other was added. I figured an SBA of course with 2 options... New Builds and Just upgrading existing systems would make some sense. This is not to replace the Help sections under each catageory. The help is for troublshooting, problems.. ect. The Upgrading is for "What part do I buy now!!!"

With the above system (modified names or whatever) I think it will allow for a much more organized community. Should also take some of the spotlight off of SBA and give that forums a rest. That thing blew up within the first few weeks of being made and has become exetremely active. The goal of organizing the forums is to allow users to find topic and post topics much faster and easier... is it not?

[flip-mode]

meh, not too taken with your proposals.

1.) [repeat]too finely aggregated - lump some stuff together[/repeat]
2.) what are the "help" forums all about? just get help in the normal forum as it has always been done.
3.) isn't the current arrangement pretty much set in stone for a while?
4.) what's bad about SBA being active?

[Welch]

Nothing against SBA being active, its one of the best forums they ever added given that a high % of the people who come here are trying to build a rig, and to bring new people that is by far the best thing to have. Im just saying that if all traffic gets redirected into SBA we might as well just have a few less forums.

<Repeat> Im TOTALLY for someone revising the list i made above, it was a crude rough draft to give you an example.</Repeat>

I want anyone who feels like it to do the same I did, or take what I did and modifiy it in any manner you want, give your 2 cents.

[LicketySplit]

I think they are pretty much ok the way they are. Just like before a couple forums got cut cuz they werent being used, if thats the case here , im sure that will happen again. Kinda like your car engine, you know, get a few miles on it before you change the oil again

[Yahoolian]

I still think it would be better to have a general troubleshooting forum...

[Usacomp2k3]

I still think it would be better to have a general troubleshooting forum...

It's called general hardware.
Or at least that's where we mods move those type of things, unless it's obviously a windows problem.

[Yahoolian]

So pretend you're new to the site, and you're trying to fix a problem. You don't know what kind of problem it is, so you don't know where to put it. So perhaps you'll just go to a different site or put it in the wrong one, requiring the mods to move it to somewhere else. A general troubleshooting forum would make for less moving of posts that are asking for help, which would mean less work for the mods.

[Usacomp2k3]

Well I can't speak for the rest of the mods, but I for one do not mind in the least moving threads by first-time posters.

[Welch]

I guess we could go on and on forever with this and people would still be unhappy. Nevermind on the changes, I figure as long as I can understand it then I should be unhappy. Unfortunatly there are going to be people that are new to the site and they arent going to know where to go when they want to make a post. I guess it is a form of Natural Selection lol, if they arent un-noobish enough to find the forums they want to post in then they are going to die off

[Deathright]

Hey i was wondering if we could create a security fourm for one finding holes around secruity features in window,linux,Macos,etc......I am not a hacker per say, however my school has unquie arangement with the students, if we can hack do it but then tell us and we will plug and force you to becoming better type deal, a fourm to deal with this would be most helpful.

[BobbinThreadbare]

I'm pretty sure that the entire forum would be against the rules.

[Captain Ned]

Hey i was wondering if we could create a security fourm for one finding holes around secruity features in window,linux,Macos,etc......I am not a hacker per say, however my school has unquie arangement with the students, if we can hack do it but then tell us and we will plug and force you to becoming better type deal, a fourm to deal with this would be most helpful.

Um, read Forum Rule #1.

[Deathright]

There is nothing in rules about it, rule #1 pretains to p2p and such things.

[idchafee]

There is nothing in rules about it, rule #1 pretains to p2p and such things.

Doesn't matter, not going to happen. 1st of all, its borderline illegal at best, outright illegal at worst. Go ahead and post that question though, it'll get locked with a quickness.

[Deathright]

How is it illegal to look for ways to get past os sercruity inoder to patch it.