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Postposted on Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:01 pm

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idchafee, it's technically not ILLEGAL.

Now, back to you, Deathright. First, TR is not a security research forum - it's a PC enthusiasts forum. If you want to discuss security research, there's other forums that are specifically for that.

Second, the main problem with security research is that even if someone isn't meaning to cause attacks on a system by revealing a flaw, someone else will find out about that flaw and cause attacks, without giving the developer a chance to patch it. There's a protocol for security researchers to reveal their findings, involving giving the developer a chance to fix the problem before revealing the flaw to the public.
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Postposted on Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:09 pm

bhtooefr wrote:idchafee, it's technically not ILLEGAL.


Hacking is technically ILLEGAL and all we have is his word that he's not hacking. You might be the trusting type. I'm not. And TR shouldn't be either.

edit: and like I said, go ahead, go ahead and post your question. We have a networking forum, we have a Windows forum and we have a mac forum. Go ahead and post your question about hacking them in any of those forums, and then start a stopwatch and see how fast it gets locked.
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Postposted on Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:12 pm

Okay, i guess i will look else where, but no hacking fourms are not illegal and if your hacking inorder to patch it up it is not, secondly you can talk about hacking all you want, Freedom of speech man.
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Postposted on Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:13 pm

Point taken.

However, discussion of vulnerabilities is not illegal. It's just REALLY bad practice to do it in public.

I do agree that TR is the WRONG place for it, however.
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Postposted on Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:14 pm

Deathright wrote:Okay, i guess i will look else where, but no hacking fourms are not illegal and if your hacking inorder to patch it up it is not, secondly you can talk about hacking all you want, Freedom of speech man.


THEN POST YOUR QUESTION!!! we have forums already that can handle your "oh I'm not a hacker" question, why don't you post them there? Because you know damn well that it would get locked.
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Postposted on Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:20 pm

Go to the Developer's Den or Networking forums, or the appropriate forum for the OS you're talking about, and post your question.

If you get locked, realize that your question was against the rules.

I'm 99% sure that you'll get locked, though.
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Postposted on Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:31 pm

I did get locked, that is why i want fourm for security, lol. But sorry if i upset anyone.
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Postposted on Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:37 pm

Deathright wrote:I did get locked, that is why i want fourm for security, lol.


"Hi, I got my hacking thread locked because it wasn't kosher. You know what youse guys ought to do? Make a whole forum for my non-kosher topic!" :lol:


Deathright wrote:But sorry if i upset anyone.


You didn't.
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Postposted on Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:11 pm

Let me make this perfectly clear. In this thread:

viewtopic.php?t=33825

you clearly requested information that would be considered cracking by your school's network administrator. That thread was locked due to an egregious violation of Rule #1. Not content with that lockage you now want a forum dedicated to helping you and your fellow script-kiddies violate every AUP you're subject to.

To quote something a US Army general recently said:

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Postposted on Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:34 pm

Ah... NICE!

You know, guys, the banstick is there for a reason *hint hint*
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Postposted on Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:52 pm

Deathright wrote:How is it illegal to look for ways to get past os sercruity inoder to patch it.

Umm...

Unless you're the guy actually writing the patch, you need absolutely zero knowledge of how to break into a system in order to secure it. You're just installing a patch that has been written by someone else.

TR is not an appropriate forum to discuss methods of hacking into systems.
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Postposted on Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:29 pm

not to chime in randomly but there are plenty of cases where a hole was disclosed in some manner but not patch by the vendor for quiet a bit of time after the fact.


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Postposted on Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:04 am

LOL, I was reading this backwards and was wondering how the hell everyone got on the topic of someones thread being locked in a productive thread about the forums layout... WOW Deathrights, pretty darn stupid. I think that Captin Ned gave you the best possible suggestion when he quoted the general.

I have had numerous threads locked for many reasons. One was when I was requesting help from people to get me back onto a network that I accidently screwed up VIA wireless where I didnt have permission to be on the network... Turns out I didnt screw it up, it worked just fine and it was something I overlooked. But the point is I didnt stay on the stupid for very long and realized that its a waiste of my time to ask for help on retarded subjects that are most likely going to get me ban and arent really that useful in the first place.

Now I know your probably saying to yourself "Nooo :cry: , me and my friends were supposed to pretend like I was CrashOverride and the school is "The Plauge" while we act like we are stopping the Da vinci virus!"

Im sure the thought of being a hacker is an intresting notion to you but if you are that desprate to leanr it, your going to see how hard it is to find anyone willing to teach you if you can even find someone who knows how to (for real).

Do yourself a favor and forget that instead of burning a bridge to a community that can help you learn more useful and legit things with computers.
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Postposted on Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:34 pm

Really i am not trying to do anywrong here, lol and i did drop the topic, however the system administrator of school is wanting us to try and break the secruity he has in place, we have had a real problem with hackers/viruses, lol it took down all but 2 of our servers and we couldn't bring them back for fear of infection, the school distric computers were put out of commision for two weaks, i was running around trying to fix stuff here, reload computers here, deal with stupid teachers who thought that if there computer started to slow down to keep running it, microsoft was of no help, they told us we were screwed, it turned out the virus was brought in by a icq client and so we are trying to lock down the computers on the network to prevent people from installing stuff without the permission of the IT department, the problem is some of the teachers no alittle bit about computer and go looking and read about hacking themselves. So the system administrator of our told the cisco class to try and hack the system. So i am trying. The truth is i don't have a real interest in hacking but it is something to do and could at the very least teach me about network secruity. I seriouly meant no harm. I know you only have my word on this, however if i do want to become a hardcore hacker i would not really come here, second of all i already figured out one way around, but it was the back door they alrdy knew it was there so it didn't count so i am trying figure out other ways around it now. And yes if i do find ways around ido report them.

Wow i think this is my longest post.
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Postposted on Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:38 pm

Umm... the filter caught me.

Looking at your post, Deathright, I can say that it looks like your post just now is total and complete bull.
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Postposted on Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:43 pm

Well i don't know how i can prove it to you. Want me to post pic of me in my class??? really so little trust left, not that i can really blame you guys i guess.
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Postposted on Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:44 pm

well it's pretty clear there wont be any hacking forums here, so if you want to discuss those intentions further i would suggest creating a new thread so that this one doesnt become sidetracked any further.
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Postposted on Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:42 pm

I think the Software section needs a forum linking to the Apple Sanctuary. It would be remiss to have all the other major operating systems represented there and not Mac OS X.
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Postposted on Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:00 am

OS X is Unix-based, no?
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Postposted on Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:03 am

Usacomp2k3 wrote:OS X is Unix-based, no?


Yes, but it has qnough unique stuff as an OS to warrant some favoritism.
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