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Postposted on Fri May 12, 2006 12:05 am

Dogfish Head Immort Ale.

I've never had this stuff before. It's incredibly malty and complex. After tasting it, I had to go and look it up on their web site:
Dogfish Head Brewery wrote:Immort Ale

Availability: Limited

Release Date: April 1st each year

Vast in character, luscious & complex. Brewed with peat-smoked barley, this strong ale is brewed with organic juniper berries, vanilla & maple syrup. It's aged on oak and fermented with a blend of English & Belgian yeasts.

11% abv

40 ibu

Definitely not an "everyday" beer. I think I'll pick up another 4-pack to lay down for a year or so; this tastes like a beer which will get even better with a bit of age.
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Postposted on Fri May 12, 2006 10:59 am

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Inkling wrote:Freshly roasted & ground Papua New Guinea Kimel Estate with 20% Indonesian Sumatra Banda Aceh. Mmmm-mmm... 8)
Heh. I just finished roasting up some Sumatra Lintong, Colombia Huila-Opora micro region, and Yemen Mokha Ismaili. Now you're making me crave some PNG Kimel. I might have to order some with my next order.
Mmm, after a couple of days rest a 50/50 blend of that Lintong and Huila-Opora is absolutely delicious.

And this afternoon/evening, I'm getting surly
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Postposted on Fri May 12, 2006 12:28 pm

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thegleek wrote:The company, Flying Dog, reminds me of the exact company you could/can have JBI. Your beer that I have tasted are of the same caliber. So keep your dream alive and start a company! Please!

Believe me, if I didn't have a family to support I'd consider giving it a shot. But for every small brewery like Flying Dog which has "made it", there are a half dozen others who are struggling, or have folded. Knowing how to make a good product is only part of the success equation; it also takes startup capital (something I don't have), business savvy (something else I'm pretty sure I don't have), and fair bit of luck.

It's just too damn risky.
Plus, since the product contains ZOMG ALCOHOL (and is a beverage) there's all the extra government hoops that go along with it. It's not like someone could easily start a low-capital side-business selling their beer and expand later. It's kind of a shame. The only way I could see something like that being realistic would be partnering with an existing brewpub or some similar arrangement.

Hmm, that'd be a neat idea, although I dunno how practical: a homebrewing club "community effort" type brewpub offering selected brews from club member recipes.
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Postposted on Fri May 12, 2006 8:53 pm

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thegleek wrote:The company, Flying Dog, reminds me of the exact company you could/can have JBI. Your beer that I have tasted are of the same caliber. So keep your dream alive and start a company! Please!

Believe me, if I didn't have a family to support I'd consider giving it a shot. But for every small brewery like Flying Dog which has "made it", there are a half dozen others who are struggling, or have folded. Knowing how to make a good product is only part of the success equation; it also takes startup capital (something I don't have), business savvy (something else I'm pretty sure I don't have), and fair bit of luck.

It's just too damn risky.
Plus, since the product contains ZOMG ALCOHOL (and is a beverage) there's all the extra government hoops that go along with it. It's not like someone could easily start a low-capital side-business selling their beer and expand later. It's kind of a shame. The only way I could see something like that being realistic would be partnering with an existing brewpub or some similar arrangement.

Hmm, that'd be a neat idea, although I dunno how practical: a homebrewing club "community effort" type brewpub offering selected brews from club member recipes.


I took a look a few weeks ago at what it would cost, just in state and local fees. Licensing alone would cost $3000-$4000. It's still the ultimate dream.

Until then, $399 will buy you a day as brewer at Rogue Brewers.

I'm drinking Affligem Blonde. I like it. I've also got a bottle of Ayinger Bräu Weisse in the fridge. The beer store had nothing but stouts today. That's normally not bad, but I've been drinking nothing but bocks, porters, and stouts for the last few weeks. I needed a change.
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Postposted on Fri May 12, 2006 9:08 pm

BuddhistFish wrote:I took a look a few weeks ago at what it would cost, just in state and local fees. Licensing alone would cost $3000-$4000. It's still the ultimate dream.
That's around what I was guessing. I could see that being a lot more practical for something like a club or cooperative, but I'm not sure what the legal environment for that sort of thing would be. On top of that, there's always the small matter of having a plan for profit (or at least break-even) on top of things.

The beer tasting and brewery tour at Surly was quite enjoyable. They had their standard Furious (american pale ale, west-coast hoppy style) and Bender (kind of a brown ale/porter/apa from their description, which is as good as anything I'd come up with) brews on tap, their summer beer CynicALE (a belgian Saisson), a dry hopped version of Furious, a version of Bender infused (heavily) with coffee, and a bourbon-barrel aged Furious. All quite tasty.
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Postposted on Fri May 12, 2006 10:30 pm

That 3-4K was just in state licenses too. Georgia also requires you to brew on land zoned for industrial use. I priced out a commercial brew sculpture. A 5 BBL (165 gallon) scuplture would run you about $52,000-$62,000. It's most definitely not a cheap venture. I'd one day like to have my own brewpub. But that's some serious cash.

I'm still looking in to how much it would cost to open my own homebrew supply store. There isn't one in my area, and the closest one is about 100 miles away. But still, you're looking at rent, plus initial stock, plus advertising, plus your display items (bins, shelves, coolers). Not a cheap proposition either. But, it doesn't come with the hefty local/state/federal alcohol permit fees either.
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Postposted on Sat May 13, 2006 2:31 pm

BuddhistFish wrote:Oh, tasted my mead today. I took a gravity sample to decide if it was time to secondary it. It's moved from 1.104 to 1.004. It tasted bad. Not infected bad, just bad. All alcohol, very hot, terribly terribly dry. I know it won't taste good until it ages, but I was still kind of shocked at how it tasted.

Just to follow up a bit more on this...

I'm in the process of racking a Mead right now. This is actually the 2nd racking for this batch; it has been sitting in secondary for nearly a year and hasn't cleared, so I am going to dose it with some Sparkalloid.

It tastes pretty good... looking back at my notes from the first racking, it was rather hot, so the heat seems to have diminished significantly.

FWIW I used the same yeast as you; my original and final gravities were similar to yours as well.

I will probably add a little winemakers' acid blend at bottling.
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Postposted on Sat May 13, 2006 9:04 pm

Back on topic:

Tonight's beer du jour is Unibroue Chambly Noire.

Yummy! :D
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Postposted on Sat May 13, 2006 9:08 pm

Squirt, that's right I said Squirt. When's the last time you ever thought about? It burns my throat but it's cheap and caffeine free.
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Postposted on Sat May 13, 2006 10:09 pm

just brew it! wrote:
BuddhistFish wrote:Oh, tasted my mead today. I took a gravity sample to decide if it was time to secondary it. It's moved from 1.104 to 1.004. It tasted bad. Not infected bad, just bad. All alcohol, very hot, terribly terribly dry. I know it won't taste good until it ages, but I was still kind of shocked at how it tasted.

Just to follow up a bit more on this...

I'm in the process of racking a Mead right now. This is actually the 2nd racking for this batch; it has been sitting in secondary for nearly a year and hasn't cleared, so I am going to dose it with some Sparkalloid.

It tastes pretty good... looking back at my notes from the first racking, it was rather hot, so the heat seems to have diminished significantly.

FWIW I used the same yeast as you; my original and final gravities were similar to yours as well.

I will probably add a little winemakers' acid blend at bottling.


I'd have secondaried my mead this evening, but my UPS man is turd. For the second time in recent memory, he has driven up to my house, stopped, and then drove off, claiming a delivery attempt. I don't know if he just doesn't feel like getting out of the van, or what. The man has my siphon tubing. He has angered me.
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Postposted on Sat May 13, 2006 10:23 pm

Water, sweet sweet water :D
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Postposted on Sat May 13, 2006 10:29 pm

Last night I was planning on 'pregaming' a ballet that I was going to by drinking some screwdrivers with about 8 ounces of vodka added to them. After having 8 it just didn't feel like it was enough so I had another 4. After that I had another 3. I then drank my friend's drink for another 4. There was some left overs and some from a flask too.

I thought that consuming that much alcohol would land me in alcohol poisoning territory :o

I didn't even have a hang over, didn't pass out, remembered everything. Kind of not what I was expecting.
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Postposted on Sat May 13, 2006 10:41 pm

Yesterday was a blast... Black Butte Porter: unbelievably good, dark yes, but the taste was so full it had a third dimension. I got busted during a tour of my school's new building, much talk ensued with your good Dr. getting much beratement from the construction manager about getting 'purposely lost'... Offered to make things right with beer, they agreed.

After some time, met up with my wife (we're still dating, too), decided to split a Chimay Blue label over wood-fired pizza and some Cobb salad at our most noble Park Chow place.

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Postposted on Sat May 13, 2006 11:09 pm

How do you know which beers will still taste good if you store them, and which will turn bad? I purchased 24 bottles of assorted beer from the Brooklyn Brewery here in Brooklyn, and when I got them home I discovered that there were expiration dates on at least some of them. They tasted great fresh, but the ones that got left around for a few months turned a bit bad. They were all kept in my fridge, which is colder than most, and the bottles were all brown. So what is it that makes beer last or not last, and how can you tell?
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Postposted on Sat May 13, 2006 11:31 pm

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Postposted on Sat May 13, 2006 11:40 pm

FireGryphon wrote:How do you know which beers will still taste good if you store them, and which will turn bad? I purchased 24 bottles of assorted beer from the Brooklyn Brewery here in Brooklyn, and when I got them home I discovered that there were expiration dates on at least some of them. They tasted great fresh, but the ones that got left around for a few months turned a bit bad. They were all kept in my fridge, which is colder than most, and the bottles were all brown. So what is it that makes beer last or not last, and how can you tell?
Strength is the big thing. More alcoholic/higher original gravity beers age better and take longer to develop. That's why people celler and age brew like barleywines, dubbels, etc. rather than weaker varieties. I'd imagine lagers or macrobrews would probably keep longer as well.
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Postposted on Sun May 14, 2006 9:35 am

mattsteg wrote:
FireGryphon wrote:How do you know which beers will still taste good if you store them, and which will turn bad? I purchased 24 bottles of assorted beer from the Brooklyn Brewery here in Brooklyn, and when I got them home I discovered that there were expiration dates on at least some of them. They tasted great fresh, but the ones that got left around for a few months turned a bit bad. They were all kept in my fridge, which is colder than most, and the bottles were all brown. So what is it that makes beer last or not last, and how can you tell?

Strength is the big thing. More alcoholic/higher original gravity beers age better and take longer to develop. That's why people celler and age brew like barleywines, dubbels, etc. rather than weaker varieties. I'd imagine lagers or macrobrews would probably keep longer as well.

The amount of hops used also has a significant effect, as hops have natural anti-bacterial properties. So there's a correlation between how bitter a beer is, and how long it will keep.

Darker beers tend to contain more anti-oxidants, which protect the beer somewhat from oxidation. (Oxidation can impart stale, cardboardy flavors.)

For weaker and/or less hoppy beers shelf life depends a lot on how good the brewer's quality control is. Most craft/micro brews aren't pasteurized; this means they are perishable, and will eventually start to develop "off" flavors as any trace contaminants start to grow and munch on the residual sugars in the beer. It is extremely unlikely that an "off" beer will make you sick (pathogenic bacteria can't survive in beer), but it can certainly taste funky.

Macro beers are usually pasteurized or sterile filtered, and are quite shelf stable.
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Postposted on Tue May 16, 2006 8:56 am

If anybody finds some good orange-hinted mead, I'm in for a bottle or three.
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Postposted on Tue May 16, 2006 8:59 am

I'm not sure if it's a mead, but the Red Hook ESB I tried last week has orange flavor, or orange peel, or some such.
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Postposted on Tue May 16, 2006 9:25 am

Orangeblossom honey makes good Mead, though the orange character is generally quite subtle. I imagine adding some orange peel to a batch would give a nice hint of orange character.

Redhook ESB is most definitely not a Mead (not even close). I don't recall Redhook ESB being particularly citrusy either; are you sure it wasn't a Redhook IPA? They use Cascade hops in their IPA, which can have a citrus/grapefruit character.
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Postposted on Tue May 16, 2006 9:41 am

Chimaira- "Painting the White to Grey"
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Postposted on Tue May 16, 2006 9:53 am

Dizik wrote:Chimaira- "Painting the White to Grey"

Hehe... wrong thread! :lol:
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Postposted on Tue May 16, 2006 10:01 am

God I'm retarded. I meant to post in both threads.

This is what I'm drinking right now: Leffe Blonde

Pretty tasty.
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Postposted on Tue May 16, 2006 10:18 am

just brew it! wrote:Redhook ESB is most definitely not a Mead (not even close).


Oops. How is mead different from regular beer?


I don't recall Redhook ESB being particularly citrusy either; are you sure it wasn't a Redhook IPA? They use Cascade hops in their IPA, which can have a citrus/grapefruit character.


If you recall,

FireGryphon wrote:Tried some Red Hook ESB yesterday. Damn, was it awful! Way too bitter for my taste.


The menu indicated orange peel, or some such orange stuff in the beer. I could, in fact, sense a citrusy taste in the beer, though it was too bitter for me to enjoy it. At lest, I'm fairly certain I'm thinking of the ESB. I might be thinking of Dogfish Head 60 Minute IPA instead. I'll have to check when I return to the pub this week.
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Postposted on Tue May 16, 2006 10:23 am

FireGryphon wrote:
just brew it! wrote:Redhook ESB is most definitely not a Mead (not even close).


Oops. How is mead different from regular beer?
It's made from honey, not grain.
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Postposted on Tue May 16, 2006 10:35 am

FireGryphon wrote:If you recall,
FireGryphon wrote:Tried some Red Hook ESB yesterday. Damn, was it awful! Way too bitter for my taste.

The menu indicated orange peel, or some such orange stuff in the beer. I could, in fact, sense a citrusy taste in the beer, though it was too bitter for me to enjoy it. At lest, I'm fairly certain I'm thinking of the ESB. I might be thinking of Dogfish Head 60 Minute IPA instead. I'll have to check when I return to the pub this week.

Dogfish 60 Minute is pretty bitter, and would indeed have a citrusy note, but has no actual orange peel in it. The citrusy character is from the type of hops used.

Redhook ESB is not particularly bitter (as microbrews go), nor is it citrusy.

The only styles of beer which commonly have orange peel in them are Belgian Wit, some of the more unusual Belgian specialty ales, and a handful of oddball seasonal spice beers from various microbrews.

If the menu said there was orange peel in the Redhook ESB, the menu was wrong.
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Postposted on Tue May 16, 2006 10:46 am

mattsteg wrote:
FireGryphon wrote:Oops. How is mead different from regular beer?

It's made from honey, not grain.

Usually, Mead does not have any grain or hops in it.* The ingredients in Mead are honey, water and yeast; optionally fruits and/or spices may be used as well -- e.g. Cyser is a hybrid of Mead and hard cider; Pyment is a hybrid of Mead and traditional (grape) wine. Mead can be still or sparkling, dry or sweet; strength generally tends to be in wine territory (9% ABV and above), though lower strength versions exist as well.

Mead is essentially a wine where at least half of the fermentable sugars come from honey instead of fruit juice (or grain).

*Exception: Braggot is a hybrid Mead/Ale, with both honey and malt. Commercial examples of this style are exceedingly rare. Honey beers don't count, because the majority of the fermentable sugars are still from malt.
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Postposted on Tue May 16, 2006 7:45 pm

I'll be brewing a blue braggot in the not too distant future.

5lb Light DME
5lb Blueberries
½lb Crystal malt 120
½lb Belgian Special B malt
10lb Honey
½ Black cardamom pod
2 5g packets of Lalvin 71B-1122 yeast
2 5g packets Champagne yeast if the mead stalls around 1.025

From what I've read, it'll take about 18 months for this braggot to be really drinkable. They say it's good at 12 months, but that the extra 6 make a huge difference. Man, if I brewed it next month it would be ready for drinking Christmas 2007. :o Mead making is not a hobby for the impatient. :lol:

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Postposted on Tue May 16, 2006 8:25 pm

BuddhistFish wrote:Mead making is not a hobby for the impatient. :lol:
It's not exactly geared towards iterative recipe tweaking either. It'd also be a heck of a shame to brew a bad batch or too small of an outstanding batch.
BuddhistFish wrote:Edit : My wife finished designing my beer logo. Here it is, complete with my photoshop manipulations.
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Nice logo. I'd imagine the waiting periods are good for that sort of stuff.

I'm drinking water at the moment. I started brewing this weekend, and have a couple of 3 gallon batches fermenting at the moment. One's half of a Northern Brewer ESB kit watered down a tad, the other's the other half of the kit augmented with a pound of Briess 2 row malt to convert it to partial-mash and bring the gravity back up to what the recipe specified. I do like that 3 gallon batches let me easily do a full wort boil on my stove and let me have a little more variety (and experiment more) without more volume than I need.
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Postposted on Tue May 16, 2006 8:33 pm

mattsteg wrote:I'm drinking water at the moment. I started brewing this weekend, and have a couple of 3 gallon batches fermenting at the moment. One's half of a Northern Brewer ESB kit watered down a tad, the other's the other half of the kit augmented with a pound of Briess 2 row malt to convert it to partial-mash and bring the gravity back up to what the recipe specified. I do like that 3 gallon batches let me easily do a full wort boil on my stove and let me have a little more variety without more volume than I need.


Northern Brewer is top notch in my book. I have to mail order everything, as there are no sotres nearby. Out of the 4 or 5 companies I've dealt with so far, they've consistently been the best.

I've got one more extract batch to do before I make the jump to all-grain. I've received approval for the purchase of a turkey fryer and I commandered our cooler for conversion to a mash-tun. My first all grain brew will be an IPA, followed shortly there after by a Scottish Wee Heavy.
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