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soccergenius wrote:I can't point you to any particular brands, but I can tell you that the savings you figure in with the lower power consumption and longer life, they're much better than incandescents.
SpotTheCat wrote:I have about half a dozen bulbs in use, only 1 of them seems to exhibit that problem. For others I either cannot hear them because they are in places with a bit more ambient noise or they really don't give off the hum/buzz.Do they buzz/hum like regular fluorescent tubs?
Hance wrote:Water vapour not a problem?I have them in almost every room of the house. The only room I find them really annoying in is the bathroom. They arent bright enough and they have kind of an off color. I have tried a few different brands and now all I use is the ones that sams club carries. I cant remember exactly what the brand name is though.
UberGerbil wrote:There's actually a lot of variation in quality in CFLs.
The better (and of course more expensive) ones warm up almost instantly, and are available in various color temperatures (typically cold [blue], neutral [white], and warm [yellow]). If you're used to the look of incandescent lighting, you'll want the warm: the other colors look harsh/ugly (I haven't found any use for the blue, but the white is useful when you're looking at colors other than skin tones).
Damage wrote:UberGerbil wrote:There's actually a lot of variation in quality in CFLs.
The better (and of course more expensive) ones warm up almost instantly, and are available in various color temperatures (typically cold [blue], neutral [white], and warm [yellow]). If you're used to the look of incandescent lighting, you'll want the warm: the other colors look harsh/ugly (I haven't found any use for the blue, but the white is useful when you're looking at colors other than skin tones).
The ones I got today (at Home Depot) were offered in three colors. I picked the "soft white" version since I was looking to replace incandescents, but they're almost too yellow-green. Kind of odd. I briefly considered the blue since I really like GE Reveal incandescents, but I was skeptical I'd get the right light out of a CFL--fluorescents tend to seem too blue already.
These bulbs do NOT flicker when first switched on and do seem to warm up pretty well in 90-120 seconds.
They're also pretty bright. But they're 14W CFLs rated as "60W equivalent," and given what I'm seeing out of them, I'd be tempted to try using the 75W or 100W equivalent to replace a 60W incandescent in order to get the right results.
Damage wrote:No, I have the Reveal ones in my bathroom and the blue CFL bulbs have a very different spectrum -- and not in a good way. You might prefer the neutral white ones; I don't think Home Depot sells the full-spectrum ones but they'd be the closest to the Reveal bulbs. I find I prefer the yellow ones because I often have the lights on during the day this time of year (you know it's winter in Seattle when you have to turn on the lights at noon to read something) and the natural sunlight -- what little gets through the overcast -- is pretty blue/gray already. I find amber light (including amber lenses in sunglasses) improves my mood.The ones I got today (at Home Depot) were offered in three colors. I picked the "soft white" version since I was looking to replace incandescents, but they're almost too yellow-green. Kind of odd. I briefly considered the blue since I really like GE Reveal incandescents, but I was skeptical I'd get the right light out of a CFL--fluorescents tend to seem too blue already.
Yeah, the "equivalence" numbers are a bit of an exaggeration (just like the MTBF numbers if you're turning them on and off a lot). The whole "flicker at startup" that we associate with fluorescent bulbs has pretty much been done away with by electronic ballasts. You still see it with the old tube lights but the new ones don't do it, and I haven't seen any CFLs that do.These bulbs do NOT flicker when first switched on and do seem to warm up pretty well in 90-120 seconds.
They're also pretty bright. But they're 14W CFLs rated as "60W equivalent," and given what I'm seeing out of them, I'd be tempted to try using the 75W or 100W equivalent to replace a 60W incandescent in order to get the right results.
just brew it! wrote:Yeah, and coal is slightly radioactive too (Carbon isotopes as well as contaminants). But almost all of my power is hydro (and the rest is gas), so I can't chuck the bulbs and feel good about it. I'm kind of hoping the big retailers like Home Depot and Walmart will start taking them back (voluntarily, or through regulation).Regarding the mercury content... I was just reading the other day that if you live somewhere where an appreciable fraction of your electricity is generated using coal, there's still a net reduction in mercury added to the environment (versus using an incandescent bulb), even if you just chuck the compact flourescent in the trash when it dies. (Coal contains mercury, which is released into the atmosphere when it is burned.)
Damage wrote:No personal experience, but I've taken this guy's advice before an he hasn't steered me wrong.But perhaps they're good enough to try out in the house. Seems to me, though, like the brands vary quite a bit in quality. Have you guys found any swirly bulbs that you really like? Any particular brand/type recommendations? Anything that has made a convert out of somebody really picky about light quality?
Flying Fox wrote:Any new ones that can handle outdoors and heavy moisture like in the bathroom?