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computron9000 wrote:Well, there's the higher resolution, for one:I'm having trouble figuring out precisely what advantages I'd get over this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6824001096]
SAMSUNG 226BW Black 22" 2 ms (GTG) DVI
I guess I'm trying to understand what exactly is making that Dell model such a significant improvement.
computron9000 wrote:Yeah. The Dell uses the same panel (made by Samsung) that the Samsung uses.Yes, I see now. Is ~$600 the baseline for the higher end S-PVA panel? It appears that the 2407WFP and Samsung SM 244T are apples to apples (while the other Samsung I listed was an apples to oranges).
Connectors don't add much to the cost of the monitor compared to the cost of the different kinds of panels. If your competitor is offering the same PVA panel with more connectors for just (say) $20 more, which do think is going to win in the marketplace?I could live without the added connectors but it's look like it might be sensible to try to go after the higher end 24" panel. I'd just like a compromise in between. Say, dual-DVI only but the nice panel for $500? hehe
Flying Fox wrote:Not for anywhere close to $500, he's not.If you really want to go nuts I suggest going for the NEC S-IPS 24" model.
Yeah, and OLED in larger sizes is in no hurry to get here either (though probably it will arrive just in time to make all those LED-backlit screens obsolete). SED seems to belong with IMOD in the "perpetually 5 years away" category.Too bad SED are almost dead or we may see some fireworks, but guess it is not meant to be.
computron9000 wrote:TN panels don't seem to bother some people, or at least the higher g2g response makes up for it (and they don't move their heads much). The reduced viewing angle is more of a problem as the screens get larger, because even if your eyes are well centered the edges of the display are at a greater and greater angle.Thanks for the feedback. I don't know if I'm up for another $1200 monitor quite yet, FF. I guess for now I'll either drop to the $300 range and pick up a TN to see what I think, or go ahead and splurge and grab the Dell.
It's going to be more than 6 months, that's for sure. Panel prices typically dip in the first quarter due to lower demand, so you may see some deals in the new year. After that, they are predicted to tighten up again (but like all predictions in tech...). We should start seeing a wave of LED-backlit displays fairly soon, since that can be applied to existing panels, but the prices will be higher -- and again, only an actual viewing will enable you to decide if they're worth it.How long before some of the new technologies arrive and start clashing, do you think? I'm up for waiting another 6-12 months, but not much more than that.
computron9000 wrote:I remember spending CAD$1200 for my 17" Nanao CRT w/ Trinitron tube back in 1995.Thanks for the feedback. I don't know if I'm up for another $1200 monitor quite yet, FF.
computron9000 wrote:Then I suggest you wait for the next Dell deal (should be one coming before Christmas) and grab one. Take advantage of the 21 (or 30?) day satisfaction guarantee in which they pay shipping to take the monitor back for refund or replacement. At least the people I got on the phone did not give me a hard time. However, I am not sure if the 2407WFP-HC will dip below the $500 mark though. The last cheapest deal from Dell 3 months ago was at $600, so be warned.I guess for now I'll either drop to the $300 range and pick up a TN to see what I think, or go ahead and splurge and grab the Dell.
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chances are I probably won't be satisfied with a low-end LCD, but I wouldn't really know until I got to use it in different lighting conditions over a variety of applications.
Flying Fox wrote:I still have my 21" Viewsonic from 1994. 1600x1200 was mindblowing back then (I had to buy a pro Matrox video card to drive it). And no, you don't want to know what I paid for it.computron9000 wrote:I remember spending CAD$1200 for my 17" Nanao CRT w/ Trinitron tube back in 1995.Thanks for the feedback. I don't know if I'm up for another $1200 monitor quite yet, FF.
DrCR wrote:A guy at work bought it for his home, I still have to check it out, if ever. I'll report back if I get to see it.I thought the BenQ FP241W was the best pick for 24"ers but perhaps that has changed in recent times?
JJCDAD wrote:The forums at [H] and Anandtech usually have pretty good discussions on those. Another source is flatpanels.dk.How do you guys find out which panel these monitors use? It's usually not listed in the specs no? Is there some database? Or can you tell by other specs?
MrJP wrote:This shows it is a TN, but the viewing angles do throw me for a loop. Well, you get what you pay for I suppose.Anyone know which panel type this cheaper NEC 24" has: LCD24WMCX?
The 178deg viewing angles would suggest S-PVA or S-IPS, and this is typically available for about £50 less than the Dell in the UK.
Flying Fox wrote:MrJP wrote:This shows it is a TN, but the viewing angles do throw me for a loop. Well, you get what you pay for I suppose.Anyone know which panel type this cheaper NEC 24" has: LCD24WMCX?
The 178deg viewing angles would suggest S-PVA or S-IPS, and this is typically available for about £50 less than the Dell in the UK.
JJCDAD wrote:How do you guys find out which panel these monitors use? It's usually not listed in the specs no? Is there some database? Or can you tell by other specs?
Ex Nihilo wrote:Try this site...
http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php? ... =1041&ph=9
Step 1: Pick brand
Step 2: Pick model
Step 3: Pick comparison to display.
They don't have all brand and models but they have a really good selection.
-Ex
JustAnEngineer wrote:computron9000 wrote:Well, there's the higher resolution, for one:I'm having trouble figuring out precisely what advantages I'd get over this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6824001096]
SAMSUNG 226BW Black 22" 2 ms (GTG) DVI
I guess I'm trying to understand what exactly is making that Dell model such a significant improvement.
16:10 (1.60) aspect ratios: <table><tr><td> Width </td> <td> Height </td> <td> MPixels </td></tr> <tr><td>1680</td> <td>1050</td> <td>1.76</td></tr> <tr><td>1920</td> <td>1200</td> <td>2.30</td></tr> </table> That's 30.6% more pixels.
The Samsung 226BW is a TN panel. The UltraSharp 2407WFP-HC is an S-PVA panel with a wide color gamut. You'll get faster response with the TN panel, but you'll get much better viewing angles and better color reproduction with the PVA panel (or with an S-IPS panel).
UberGerbil wrote:Flying Fox wrote:Not for anywhere close to $500, he's not.If you really want to go nuts I suggest going for the NEC S-IPS 24" model.