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It's time. My trusty Sony CRT is going a bit fuzzy around the edges and the once grayish white case has turned that ugly yellow. I need something to replace it. I don't want any of those new-fangled funky widescreen resolution monitors (1440x900 or whatever), I don't want anything huge, I just want a competent squarish screen. 1280x1024 is preferred, 1600x1200 is fine. Any help or suggestions are appreciated

How much are you wanting to spend? Dell's 1907FPV monitors are pretty nice IMO. It's supposed to have a PVA panel. If you get this one, you should have a video card with DVI output.

bthylafh wrote:

How much are you wanting to spend? Dell's 1907FPV monitors are pretty nice IMO. It's supposed to have a PVA panel. If you get this one, you should have a video card with DVI output.

Those are a bit old, I'd have trouble finding one new.

Vrock wrote:

bthylafh wrote:

How much are you wanting to spend? Dell's 1907FPV monitors are pretty nice IMO. It's supposed to have a PVA panel. If you get this one, you should have a video card with DVI output.

Those are a bit old, I'd have trouble finding one new.

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/ ... oc=1907fpv

Dell still sells 'em with Optiplexen.

You can also find squareish monitors if you browse the monitors page. http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/cate ... l=en&s=dhs they still make a 20 inch 1600X1200 4:3 monitor which is what I have. They are kinda spendy but worth it if you ask me.

emi25 wrote:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010190020%201301922115&name=No

No offense, but I can search Newegg as well as the next guy. I'm wondering if you have any specific recommendations, thanks.

non-widescreen....?

anyway do they still make non-TN 4:3 lcds?

Hance wrote:

You can also find squareish monitors if you browse the monitors page. http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/cate ... l=en&s=dhs they still make a 20 inch 1600X1200 4:3 monitor which is what I have. They are kinda spendy but worth it if you ask me.

I have the 2007fp too and am very happy with it. I had a pair of the 1905fp's (older version of the previously mentioned 1907fpv) and liked those as well. Both monitors feel solid, have great adjustments, and most importantly have a great picture and viewing angles.

Since you're replacing a CRT, can I assume that you are looking to keep its replacement for a long time too or are you just bridging a gap? If the former, the quality of the dell monitors is well worth the price premium.

I actually have the 2001FP so its getting pretty old. No dead pixels and I have had no problems with it at all. Get a dell vrock great return/exchange policy and they last a long time. My wife has the 1901FP ( i think thats the model) and it has worked great for quite a few years also.

GokuSS2 wrote:

non-widescreen....?

Why laugh? Just because you've bought into the gimmick of widescreen doesn't mean everyone has.

Hance wrote:

I actually have the 2001FP so its getting pretty old. No dead pixels and I have had no problems with it at all. Get a dell vrock great return/exchange policy and they last a long time. My wife has the 1901FP ( i think thats the model) and it has worked great for quite a few years also.

The 1708s and 1908s look interesting. Are they TN panels, by any chance?

torax wrote:

Since you're replacing a CRT, can I assume that you are looking to keep its replacement for a long time too or are you just bridging a gap? If the former, the quality of the dell monitors is well worth the price premium.

I'm looking to keep the replacement for a long time, 5-10 years actually.

Vrock wrote:

Hance wrote:

I actually have the 2001FP so its getting pretty old. No dead pixels and I have had no problems with it at all. Get a dell vrock great return/exchange policy and they last a long time. My wife has the 1901FP ( i think thats the model) and it has worked great for quite a few years also.

The 1708s and 1908s look interesting. Are they TN panels, by any chance?

They have 160 degree viewing angles, so I think they're TNs.

torax wrote:

Vrock wrote:

Hance wrote:

I actually have the 2001FP so its getting pretty old. No dead pixels and I have had no problems with it at all. Get a dell vrock great return/exchange policy and they last a long time. My wife has the 1901FP ( i think thats the model) and it has worked great for quite a few years also.

The 1708s and 1908s look interesting. Are they TN panels, by any chance?

They have 160 degree viewing angles, so I think they're TNs.

Poop.

Samsung 971P... what seems to be the problem... 19'', PVA panel, good looks... a bit pricey, but it's great. my friend has it and i would rather have that one instead of my 931BW...

oh yeah, if swiwel is important to you, try finding 970P... it's the older version of 971P (duh )

Vrock wrote:

GokuSS2 wrote:

non-widescreen....?

Why laugh? Just because you've bought into the gimmick of widescreen doesn't mean everyone has.

Not a gimmick for me.. I use the extra space. Like I posted earlier. Its getting hard to find a Non TN 4:3

Why do people hype up viewing angles so much with computer monitors? I mean, your sitting right in front of it.

The changes in color and brightness with viewing angle are so terrible for TN panels that even the 19" LCD at work appears darker at the bottom than it does in the middle. With a larger screen, the problem is even worse.

I also recommend the Dell UltraSharp 2007FP. I am still using a similar UltraSharp 2001FP on one of my PCs.

wabbit wrote:

Samsung 971P... what seems to be the problem... 19'', PVA panel, good looks... a bit pricey, but it's great. my friend has it and i would rather have that one instead of my 931BW...

oh yeah, if swiwel is important to you, try finding 970P... it's the older version of 971P (duh )

Very interesting. It's on my short list now. Thanks.

GokuSS2 wrote:

Vrock wrote:

GokuSS2 wrote:

non-widescreen....?

Why laugh? Just because you've bought into the gimmick of widescreen doesn't mean everyone has.

Not a gimmick for me.. I use the extra space. Like I posted earlier. Its getting hard to find a Non TN 4:3

Thanks again for another useless post.

Just curious about the OP: why do you not want a widescreen? I went with a widescreen LCD when my 19" 4:3 CRT died, and I couldn't be happier with the choice.

Pettytheft wrote:

Why do people hype up viewing angles so much with computer monitors? I mean, your sitting right in front of it.

Screens with bad viewing angles can look different if you do so much as slouch in your chair. Obviously, some are worse than others, but it's there to some extent. Also, you can have people standing next to you if you want to show them something, and it helps for them to see what's going on.

Vrock wrote:

Thanks again for another useless post.

Thanks for Responding....

On a more serious note.

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/prod ... lid=680413

I believe this was BEFORE they made any Ultrasharps that were TN. (busted* they are TN. )

GokuSS2 wrote:

I believe this was BEFORE they made any Ultrasharps that were TN.

Um, no. The 1908FP is one of their more recent models & almost certainly TN. There's a reason it's tens of dollars cheaper than the 1907FPV.

bthylafh wrote:

GokuSS2 wrote:

I believe this was BEFORE they made any Ultrasharps that were TN.

Um, no. The 1908FP is one of their more recent models & almost certainly TN. There's a reason it's tens of dollars cheaper than the 1907FPV.

Good catch... Though I can't even Find the 1907FPV on EBAY let alone any retailer..

BUT.... I did find this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6824001260
Samsung943T MVA panel panel. Only issue I'd have with it is the 25ms response time. Anyway considering Vrock never posted his inteded use.

You seem to have difficulties reading. I've already posted a link to the FPV.

bthylafh wrote:

You seem to have difficulties reading. I've already posted a link to the FPV.

Apparently....and its a whole 5ms faster then the one I just posted.

GokuSS2 wrote:

bthylafh wrote:

You seem to have difficulties reading. I've already posted a link to the FPV.

Apparently....and its a whole 5ms faster then the one I just posted.

Don't believe in the stupid ms specs. The older ones like the 2001FP were measured in different ways than these "newer" ones with fancy grey-to-grey and other **** that makes the number look smaller. Not all people are obsessed with the "speed" of the monitor. A squarish aspect ratio, viewing angles, and colour reproduction are also important factors.

And I also suggest Vrock to look at the 2001FP, if you can still find them. It's not 19" but as others said, non-TN 17-19" are getting very hard to find.

Flying Fox wrote:

GokuSS2 wrote:

bthylafh wrote:

You seem to have difficulties reading. I've already posted a link to the FPV.

Apparently....and its a whole 5ms faster then the one I just posted.

Don't believe in the stupid ms specs. The older ones like the 2001FP were measured in different ways than these "newer" ones with fancy grey-to-grey and other **** that makes the number look smaller. Not all people are obsessed with the "speed" of the monitor. A squarish aspect ratio, viewing angles, and colour reproduction are also important factors.

And I also suggest Vrock to look at the 2001FP, if you can still find them. It's not 19" but as others said, non-TN 17-19" are getting very hard to find.

Not a matter of Believing it. I tried it out at work. Two monitors from HP with different Response Rates on the same computer. I could see the difference. Not in my head either as I did it as a blind test, had my coworker setup the screens.

Granted this was about 2 years ago so it may not apply now.

FireGryphon wrote:

Just curious about the OP: why do you not want a widescreen? I went with a widescreen LCD when my 19" 4:3 CRT died, and I couldn't be happier with the choice.

Because height is more important to me than width when it comes to computer monitors. I don't care for widescreens for surfing the net, and I don't run multiple spreadsheets, etc. at once. As for gaming, I have lots of older games that don't run in widescreen resolution (especially on my retro box), and I'm not enthusiastic about paying for screen real estate I can't/won't use.