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bitvector wrote:The thing to understand is, by installing OO 3.0 manually without using your distro's packaging and dependency management system, you're bringing the pain on yourself. This is a common pitfall Windows users encounter because the model of software management is and installation is quite different. biffzinker's link which shows how to use an unofficial repository with OO 3.0 Ubuntu packages with your package manager is a much better way to go about doing that.
jinjuku wrote:bitvector wrote:The thing to understand is, by installing OO 3.0 manually without using your distro's packaging and dependency management system, you're bringing the pain on yourself. This is a common pitfall Windows users encounter because the model of software management is and installation is quite different. biffzinker's link which shows how to use an unofficial repository with OO 3.0 Ubuntu packages with your package manager is a much better way to go about doing that.
No crap, I intimated in the OP that I tried that first. Thus my frustration. Frustrating because Ubuntu included OO 2.0 and even using Synaptic Package Manager: no dice. I yanked everything that had to do with OO 2.0 in order to install 3.0
Ok, find me a Ubuntu distro... All the links point to having to use the Debian package and shoe horning it in via the CLI. I tried the Software Source control panel. Pain in the ass since it wouldn't work.
jinjuku wrote:You guys in three post made my point for me. It doesn't matter who is at fault. I could never seriously plop a Ubuntu box down in front of Mother. It would end sitting there with a doily and candle.
bitvector wrote:jinjuku wrote:bitvector wrote:The thing to understand is, by installing OO 3.0 manually without using your distro's packaging and dependency management system, you're bringing the pain on yourself. This is a common pitfall Windows users encounter because the model of software management is and installation is quite different. biffzinker's link which shows how to use an unofficial repository with OO 3.0 Ubuntu packages with your package manager is a much better way to go about doing that.
No crap, I intimated in the OP that I tried that first. Thus my frustration. Frustrating because Ubuntu included OO 2.0 and even using Synaptic Package Manager: no dice. I yanked everything that had to do with OO 2.0 in order to install 3.0
Ok, find me a Ubuntu distro... All the links point to having to use the Debian package and shoe horning it in via the CLI. I tried the Software Source control panel. Pain in the ass since it wouldn't work.
If you'd read the link, you'd see the Ubuntu repo for OO 3.0:
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu intrepid main
bitvector wrote:jinjuku wrote:You guys in three post made my point for me. It doesn't matter who is at fault. I could never seriously plop a Ubuntu box down in front of Mother. It would end sitting there with a doily and candle.
Would your mother immediately be dissatisfied that her system wasn't running the 30 day old latest release of OpenOffice and try to upgrade versions?
bitvector wrote:jinjuku wrote:You guys in three post made my point for me. It doesn't matter who is at fault. I could never seriously plop a Ubuntu box down in front of Mother. It would end sitting there with a doily and candle.
Would your mother immediately be dissatisfied that her system wasn't running the 30 day old latest release of OpenOffice and try to upgrade versions?
jinjuku wrote:You guys in three post made my point for me. It doesn't matter who is at fault. I could never seriously plop a Ubuntu box down in front of Mother. It would end sitting there with a doily and candle.
Skrying wrote:She would when someone sends here a docx file then Ubuntu and out of date OOo **** all over her, to put it crudely.
She would become even more frustrated when her printer doesn't work out of the box (not uncommon for numerous newer models),
and she can't play a simple MP3 file
either or even a DVD.
Linux is simply not a viable alternative for numerous reasons that all come down to the fact that so many distros means no one has been able to solve it's massive flaws first. I really do hope Ubuntu moves to a more closed environment that sheds a lot of the free software political bs that is holding it back. Then and only then can a Linux distro move out of constant beta and into the real world of usability.
jinjuku wrote:I could never seriously plop a Ubuntu box down in front of Mother. It would end sitting there with a doily and candle.
End User wrote:I don't want to wait until some higher authority gets around to adding it to the list of available apps. All I want to do is download a fraking installer and double click on it. What's so hard about that!
I love how Ubuntu Server is command line only.
FireGryphon wrote:The root problem here is that many people like the OP and myself are wooed by Linux fanatics into trying the OS, only to find that we have no idea how to use it and virtually no documentation of any kind to help us get into the groove.
Forge wrote:jinjuku wrote:I could never seriously plop a Ubuntu box down in front of Mother. It would end sitting there with a doily and candle.
You are what is commonly referred to as a troll. You installed an OS you are unfamiliar with and expected IT to adapt to YOUR desires, instead of looking at what it can do.
Forge wrote:You wanted Linux to be Windows, and BIG SURPRISE, Linux is not as good at being Windows as Windows is.
Forge wrote:You wanted to install a bleeding-edge package onto your distro. You need to WAIT while the people who make the distro package up your bleeding edge ware.
Linux is not bad. Your expectations of it were and are unreasonable. If you'd like to continue ranting about how it doesn't accept Windows drivers, about how it's horrible because your Windows howtos don't work, or other such unreasonability, be aware that your thread will be in the R&P forum in short order, and the responses you get will be more in kind.
Forge wrote:You don't have a server. You aren't running a server. You do not understand.
Forge wrote:Your insistence that 'SERVER == GUI' is simply not applicable.
Forge wrote:Why do you feel the need to install Linux and then talk crap about how it's not Windows?
Wajo wrote:I'm terribly sorry... but to say that there is no documentation for linux is downright fallacious.
just brew it! wrote:She'd have the same problem if she was running an older version of MS Office.
just brew it! wrote:Yes, this can be an issue for newer printers. But support for older printers is actually better in Linux than it is in Windows -- many printer manufacturers have decided to punt on Vista drivers for older models. And the Linux drivers for HP printers are generally more stable than HP's proprietary Windows drivers.
just brew it! wrote:The first time I tried to play an MP3 on my Ubuntu box, a window popped up asking me if I wanted to install the MP3 codec. I clicked OK, and it just worked. Doesn't seem like a problem to me?
just brew it! wrote:Unless you've got Vista Home Premium or Ultimate, Windows doesn't play DVDs out of the box either.
just brew it! wrote:I agree that Ubuntu still has some warts; I also think the 8.10 release was in some ways a step back from 8.04. However... I think that overall they are doing a very good job of walking the line between usability and remaining true to Open Source principles. As I've noted above, most of your complaints ignore similar problems on the Windows side, or are based on outdated info.
End User wrote:I love how Ubuntu Server is command line only. WTF?
Skrying wrote:.... just like you shouldn't force a comparison of Windows XP vs Ubuntu 8.10.
[SDG]Mantis wrote:End User wrote:I love how Ubuntu Server is command line only. WTF?
Many Linux servers don't even have monitors attached to them. I've got a friend who uses Linux extensively for servers and has almost never touched Gnome, KDE, or any other GUI window manager.
Forge wrote:MOST SERVERS ARE NOT IN YOUR ROOM AT HOME. Most servers are remotely administrated. The command-line plus SSH and formerly telnet are time-honored ways to remotely administrate non-Windows boxen. Your insistence that 'SERVER == GUI' is simply not applicable.
just brew it! wrote:Forge, you're not helping matters. If you're really trying to make a case for Linux, be aware that militant Linux evangelism drives as many people away as it attracts. (Hint: This is TR, not /. )
End User wrote:I almost cried when I read through this post!
For the past few weeks I have been looking over Ubuntu Desktop/Server/Studio. I am mainly interested in Server but, as an amateur photographer, I was looking at Desktop and Studio as well. I totally agree that one should not have to dig around for a command line solution to install software (I used that Softpedia link over the weekend to update to OO 3.0) and I don't want to wait until some higher authority gets around to adding it to the list of available apps. All I want to do is download a fraking installer and double click on it. What's so hard about that!
I love how Ubuntu Server is command line only. WTF? Sure, hit a home run with your diehard users but come on! So, after installing the GUI onto Server, I still have to run around and look for GUI front end tools for standard server features. Sigh. I want to use Linux as a tool, not create a new hobby. I hate to say it but I don't have the time to go through these hoops. I'm just an end user.
One more thing: it is rather puzzling to me that the Ubuntu Studio installer process recognized my BT keyboard/mouse yet the installed OS does not!