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SpotTheCat wrote:The U2410 had a 20% discount ($479) for about ten days earlier in the month, right after it was available (and before most people had heard of it or knew how good it was). There will be another sale eventually. You could also keep your eye on the Dell Outlet for refurbished models; they have a Twitter feed as well.And then there is the U2410. WANT! It's out of reach though at $600. So Mr. Dell, I urge you to put this monitor on discount like you often have offered in the past for your other top notch monitors. I am sad that your discounts are fewer between these days, so here's a hope for a nice black Friday.
SpotTheCat wrote:...but I strongly desire a 1920x1200 monitor after spending countless hours with them in the labs at school.
torax wrote:SpotTheCat wrote:...but I strongly desire a 1920x1200 monitor after spending countless hours with them in the labs at school.
Dang, it's definitely been a while since I have been in the labs where you go to school.... Last time I had a class in there, we were using gigantic CRTs!
UberGerbil wrote:SpotTheCat wrote:The U2410 had a 20% discount ($479) for about ten days earlier in the month, right after it was available (and before most people had heard of it or knew how good it was). There will be another sale eventually. You could also keep your eye on the Dell Outlet for refurbished models; they have a Twitter feed as well.And then there is the U2410. WANT! It's out of reach though at $600. So Mr. Dell, I urge you to put this monitor on discount like you often have offered in the past for your other top notch monitors. I am sad that your discounts are fewer between these days, so here's a hope for a nice black Friday.
SpotTheCat wrote:UberGerbil wrote:SpotTheCat wrote:The U2410 had a 20% discount ($479) for about ten days earlier in the month, right after it was available (and before most people had heard of it or knew how good it was). There will be another sale eventually. You could also keep your eye on the Dell Outlet for refurbished models; they have a Twitter feed as well.And then there is the U2410. WANT! It's out of reach though at $600. So Mr. Dell, I urge you to put this monitor on discount like you often have offered in the past for your other top notch monitors. I am sad that your discounts are fewer between these days, so here's a hope for a nice black Friday.
I think I would need to see it a little bit lower than that to bite. I was thinking $450 was a lot of money, let alone approaching 500. Thanks for the links though, very helpful.
Synchromesh wrote:So why don't you go for the 2408WFP? I have one and it's awesome. It has a myriad of inputs, IPS panel and 1920x1200 res. What's even better is that they occasionally dip under $400 on Dell's website. What's not to love?
MixedPower wrote:Synchromesh wrote:So why don't you go for the 2408WFP? I have one and it's awesome. It has a myriad of inputs, IPS panel and 1920x1200 res. What's even better is that they occasionally dip under $400 on Dell's website. What's not to love?
I'm pretty sure that all 2408WFPs are PVA screens. To me at least, the jump from PVA to IPS is well worth the extra cash. Not that I can afford either of those monitors, mind you...
Synchromesh wrote:Ah, looks like you're right, it's is PVA. Is SIPS that much better?
MixedPower wrote:Synchromesh wrote:Ah, looks like you're right, it's is PVA. Is SIPS that much better?
Everyone's eyes are different. The 'black crush' issue of PVA monitors is really problematic for me when looking at darker pictures, and a lot of shadow detail is lost in movies and video games (I'm sure there's a Doom 3 joke or two in there somewhere). Plus, some colors shift dramatically if viewed from an off-center angle. Other people may not be as sensitive to it or just don't use their monitors in a way that highlights the issue that much, though.
edh wrote:Well, within reason of course, no way should we recommend dropping from 2.4GHz to 1.4GHz (Atom omgwtfbbq), or worst, getting a DEER power supply.Do NOT scrimp on your monitor. Drop down a GHz or so, buy only 2 sticks of memory -- whatever it tales, but do NOT scrimp on your monitor. Your eyes will appreciate it.
l33t-g4m3r wrote:Now it's either the HP LP2475W, or U2410.
Don't know which is better, hopefully there'll be a sale black friday or something.
MixedPower wrote:l33t-g4m3r wrote:Now it's either the HP LP2475W, or U2410.
Don't know which is better, hopefully there'll be a sale black friday or something.
From what I've read the U2410 uses the same panel as the HP2475W, although I'm not sure if the HP uses the newest revision like Dell does. The Dell has an sRGB mode that pretty much eliminates the color issues with wide gamut displays.
Flying Fox wrote:This is very true. I spent close to $1K back in '94 for a 21" CRT that was capable of (at the time unbelievable) 1600x1200, and had to buy a top-of-the-line Matrox card to drive it at that resolution (about the only card then that could), but it lasted me more than decade while I replaced every other component multiple times (even the desk it sits on). I don't regret that purchase at all.Monitor is a longer term buy, skimp everything else to stretch your budget. To me it gives more utility than things like a faster video card because you stare at the thing whenever you use the computer, while gaming is only a portion of the time.
Voldenuit wrote:Can you give some examples? Every TN panel I've seen has suffered from violent and (to me) unacceptable color shifts from off-axis viewing, especially along the short axis (up and down on a widescreen). This is exacerbated by larger panels, since the corners are at enough of an angle when your eyes are at the center of the screen that it shows up even without moving your head. (And it makes most TN panels useless in the portrait orientation for anything but B&W text).Agreed. I've used all 3, and to me, *VA is hardly better than TN (and in fact, there are several TN panels these days which are a lot better than many *VA monitors).
Yes, especially when you're dealing with mail-order companies like Dell. I used to go into Fry's and compare monitors but it's hard to find anything but TN there anymore. Ultimately you have to go by reviews (factoring in biases of the reviewers), take a deep breath, and buy from a company that has a liberal return policy.The simple answer (which turns out to be not so simple) is that you can't judge a monitor by panel type alone. It always helps to compare them side by side - sadly, that's often impossible.
UberGerbil wrote:Can you give some examples? Every TN panel I've seen has suffered from violent and (to me) unacceptable color shifts from off-axis viewing, especially along the short axis (up and down on a widescreen). This is exacerbated by larger panels, since the corners are at enough of an angle when your eyes are at the center of the screen that it shows up even without moving your head. (And it makes most TN panels useless in the portrait orientation for anything but B&W text).
Input lag can be as much about the internal processing as the panel type, so the same panel can have different lag when used by different mfrs (or from revision to revision by the same mfr).
UberGerbil wrote:Can you give some examples? Every TN panel I've seen has suffered from violent and (to me) unacceptable color shifts from off-axis viewing, especially along the short axis (up and down on a widescreen). This is exacerbated by larger panels, since the corners are at enough of an angle when your eyes are at the center of the screen that it shows up even without moving your head. (And it makes most TN panels useless in the portrait orientation for anything but B&W text).
but Dells new U2410 and Planar's 26" IPS, as well as most 30" IPS screens, seem to escape excessive input lag.
Voldenuit wrote:Interesting stuff, thanks. I guess I haven't been keeping up; I had looked at TN from time to time in the past and didn't think there was room for improvement.TNs have historically poor vertical viewing angles. However, my experience with modern TN panels (using a Dell S2309W as we speak) is that their vertical viewing angles are much better than they used to be. While there is still some color shift with vertical travel, colors no longer invert, and it is not noticeable until I move more than 30-40 degrees off axis. Also, whites no longer turn yellow with vertical movement as they did in the old days.
Ryu Connor wrote:It hasn't been a problem I've noticed on my 3008wfp. It offers a gaming mode that disables all the post processing, but frankly it looks terrible and I'm failing to see the benefit I get.