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BoBzeBuilder wrote:Why would you go vegetarian? Unless you have some health problems like high cholesterol, its understandable. But what's wrong with a nice jucy tender piece of chicken? Crispy bacon?
Meat is part of a healthy diet.
SecretMaster wrote:Agreed. You should also ensure you stop driving a car, using electricity, avoid manufactured goods (like the computer you're typing this on, throw that in the trash RIGHT NOW), and of course, forget about running water and sewer. Send me a letter in a month, I'd be curious to know how that goes. But wait, letters are sent using trucks and planes that damage the environment, so....I think our current practices for meat production are damaging towards the environment and really not very suitable.
codedivine wrote:Or, eat a little bit of meat now and then! It's amazing! What a concept! We have canines for a reason! Huzzah!I am a vegetarian (not vegan and I eat dairy products including eggs). Being vegetarian often means that it will be hard to get all the nutrients if you don't plan your diet. Three tips:
1. Eat beans regularly (chickpeas, black beans, red kidney beans and so on) everyday as they are an important source of protein for vegetarians. Milk too.
2. Opt for multi-grain breads. They cover a lot of grains and often have decent amount of protein too!
3. Try making salad at home instead of buying it. Use a large variety of vegetables. Salads at many food places contains only a few nutrients and use unhealthy amounts of dressing.
Vrock wrote:codedivine wrote:Or, eat a little bit of meat now and then! It's amazing! What a concept! We have canines for a reason! Huzzah!I am a vegetarian (not vegan and I eat dairy products including eggs). Being vegetarian often means that it will be hard to get all the nutrients if you don't plan your diet. Three tips:
1. Eat beans regularly (chickpeas, black beans, red kidney beans and so on) everyday as they are an important source of protein for vegetarians. Milk too.
2. Opt for multi-grain breads. They cover a lot of grains and often have decent amount of protein too!
3. Try making salad at home instead of buying it. Use a large variety of vegetables. Salads at many food places contains only a few nutrients and use unhealthy amounts of dressing.
My best friend is a vegetarian. His favorite cook book is Mark Bittman's How to Cook Everything Vegetarian. You can pick up the hard cover from Amazon for $23. Well worth it, a huge book that not only has enough recipes to keep you satisfied for nearly ever but has a great introduction that will walk you through preparing your kitchen for your change.
Dice up a [url=Mirepoix]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirepoix_%28cuisine%29[/url] of onion, celery and carrot (~3,1.5,1.5 cups). Heat a soup pot with a splash or two of oil over a medium flame. Add vegetables, salt. Saute until the onions have some color, but don't let them burn. Add lots of ground pepper and 2 or 3 dried bay leaves (other seasonings might be crushed red pepper and dried thyme), 2-6 cloves of garlic and a touch more oil. Stir for a few seconds (until they start to become fragrant). Add 4 cups of hot tap water, a pound of dried lentils, and cover. Bring to a boil, back off to a simmer, and cook for 40 min. While the lentils are getting tender, wash, de-stem and roughly chop a bunch of kale (.5 lbs should do). Taste the soup and add salt/pepper to taste. Add the kale to the soup and simmer until the kale and lentils are tender.
SecretMaster wrote:BoBzeBuilder wrote:Why would you go vegetarian? Unless you have some health problems like high cholesterol, its understandable. But what's wrong with a nice jucy tender piece of chicken? Crispy bacon?
Meat is part of a healthy diet.
I fully agree that meat is part of a healthy diet. I haven't been mulling vegetarianism over the fact that animals are getting killed, I am actually quite content with that notion. However my reasoning is still very much environmentally oriented. I think our current practices for meat production are damaging towards the environment and really not very suitable. Likewise, from an energy perspective it is sometimes hard for me to justify eating a piece of meat when I consider how much energy it took just to create and deliver that piece of meat.
SpotTheCat wrote:If we weren't supposed to eat animals they wouldn't be made out of meat!
Wintermane wrote:You can do far more for the planet simply going to the store half as often then you can via diet. Learn to cook rice and buy it in bulk and season it with cheap local meat and veg you get in bulk.
BoBzeBuilder wrote:http://www.bbqaddicts.com/blog/recipes/bacon-explosion/
lol. Sorry.
I'm actually curious (honestly, not trying to sound sarcastic) how you have come to the conclusion that our means of meat production takes abnormally improper amounts of energy. I have heard some statistics, regarding how much water it takes to raise an animal etc, but it is always good to look around and keep your ears open. I always used how much something costs as a gauge for how many resources it took to create. Since we don't barter, when you go out and purchase something, you are paying for resources (whether it be steel, water, coal, electricity or someones hardwork/time). So taking into account price inflations for luxury items and what not, I always thought something's 'dollar value' gave me a good idea of how much time/effort/resources went into it. It may in the end be less energy efficient to consume meat than legumes or other protein hefty substitutes. Living in Oregon, I don't often get to speak with a level headed vegetarian, most of them have a chip on their shoulders, and seem to be in it for superiority rather than honest goodwill or being green minded.
shaq_mobile wrote:Meat production, in general, uses a lot of energy. If you think back to elementary school biology, it takes an awful lot of plants and vegetarian animals to support a single apex predator. Each animal expends energy both building its structure and going about its daily routine. The only energy you get out of that animal when you eat it is the portion of the energy that went towards meat.I'm actually curious (honestly, not trying to sound sarcastic) how you have come to the conclusion that our means of meat production takes abnormally improper amounts of energy.