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bthylafh wrote:There's problems there, too, from what I've read. At least with the edge lit models that don't feature local dimming.That just on the fluorescent backlit ones, or have you looked at LED-backlit models?
liquidsquid wrote:Because they require a heavy up front investment in a screen, mounting device, cable routing, light control, etc. I had a projector once, and it was okay, but I find that TVs suit my needs better.Seriously, I don't understand why projectors are not more popular.
Corrado wrote:Can't. I see yellow/blue streaks in high contrast scenes with plasma. It's particularly noticeable when watching in the dark, and it gives me a headache.Get a plasma instead of an LCD then?
derFunkenstein wrote:This too. Though, if they're ceiling mounted or in a hush box, it's not as bad. My SXRD TV has some fan noise, but it's not too bad. I don't hear it while watching movies/playing games.Every projector I've ever used has a pretty loud fan, compared to a TV. I've skipped them for fan noise alone.
Vrock wrote:derFunkenstein wrote:This too. Though, if they're ceiling mounted or in a hush box, it's not as bad. My SXRD TV has some fan noise, but it's not too bad. I don't hear it while watching movies/playing games.Every projector I've ever used has a pretty loud fan, compared to a TV. I've skipped them for fan noise alone.
Corrado wrote:That's because there is something wrong with every option presented. The difference is that some things are tolerable, and some aren't. I have a SXRD RPTV now and live with the negatives (overscan, lighter blacks, and SSE) because they are tolerable. I can live with poorer viewing angles and motion blur on a LCD, but poor screen uniformity is a deal-breaker. Likewise, I can live with the heat, threat of burn-in, and occasional false contouring in plasmas, but the blue/yellow flashes are a deal-breaker.Note that I'm not being a dick here, but you seem to find something wrong with every option presented... You may need to lower your standards a bit.
Airmantharp wrote:Cnet liked the uniformity on the Sammy B750, hmm. Worthy of consideration. I am steering clear of Sonys though, as their backlight uniformity is pretty horrendous. Even in their expensive XBR line, they have problems.You're not going to get it, but you can get close. You'll have to steer away from LED screens, as they lose brightness off angle (go check them out at a store). Samsungs 6 and 7 series get my recommendation there, really. The current 'B' series is a 240Hz setup, which isn't that big of a deal, except that it works better/looks less like a soap opera than the 120Hz models did.
Vrock wrote:Corrado wrote:Can't. I see yellow/blue streaks in high contrast scenes with plasma. It's particularly noticeable when watching in the dark, and it gives me a headache.Get a plasma instead of an LCD then?
Airmantharp wrote:Be glad you don't see them. Many folks do. If you're curious, do a google search for "plainbows". AVSforum has a huge thread on it. Apparently it has something to do with uneven color refresh on plasmas. I don't get the science behind it, but I know it exists.Maybe they won't have the issues you've seen (I have no idea what you're talking about, with some pretty sharp eyes).
bdwilcox wrote:Happens at all distances for me. I had a Pioneer 5070HD a few years ago which I had to sell because of this phenomenon. My viewing distance was 10 feet. The only thing that reduces this effect for me turning the lights on, but I watch movies and play games with the lights out in a light controlled room, so no dice.This usually happens when you sit too close. Try a 50" at 8 feet and see if it happens.
drsauced wrote:Well, you're a special case. For most folks uniformity isn't an issue because there are more important features for a TV, like black level, viewing angle, and response time. In addition, according to NEC, there are more factors than just the backlight that affect the uniformity, like electrode thickness and glass adherence.
drsauced wrote:I get that I'm not the norm. Doesn't make my complaint any less legitimate though. And an uneven backlight can interfer with those black levels that everyone likes.Well, you're a special case. For most folks uniformity isn't an issue because there are more important features for a TV, like black level, viewing angle, and response time. In addition, according to NEC, there are more factors than just the backlight that affect the uniformity, like electrode thickness and glass adherence.
Airmantharp wrote:Plasma has long been the heir apparent to CRT, if they can only get that streaking under control I'd buy one for every room in my house.drsauced wrote:Well, you're a special case. For most folks uniformity isn't an issue because there are more important features for a TV, like black level, viewing angle, and response time. In addition, according to NEC, there are more factors than just the backlight that affect the uniformity, like electrode thickness and glass adherence.
For all of the things that LCD's suck at, I love plasmas. And I don't think that they have the burn in issues anymore, though I know I could do more research on that- they're just the closest things to CRT's, actually largely better in most cases. I'll be hanging around for the coming generations, as they're supposed to get thinner, lighter, use less power and get darker, all at the same time.
ucisilentbob wrote:Look up the Samsung LNXXA950's. Those are the only Local Dimming LED's that samsung made to my knowledge. I've read great things about this tv in reguards to IQ and the backlight. I'm not sure why they didn't keep at least one Local Dimming LED TV in their lineup. The rest of them are all the Edge light ones.
SecretSquirrel wrote:Kinda off topic, but find a (now discontinued) Samsung LED DLP. The 67" was absolutely stunning. The LED light engine got rid of the the color wheel shimmer and the short bulb lifetime. On top of that, they were only about three times a thick as current LCD screens which only came into play if you were actually going to wall mount the screen. But, like I said, discontinued, and not an LCD.
--SS
bdwilcox wrote:SecretSquirrel wrote:Kinda off topic, but find a (now discontinued) Samsung LED DLP. The 67" was absolutely stunning. The LED light engine got rid of the the color wheel shimmer and the short bulb lifetime. On top of that, they were only about three times a thick as current LCD screens which only came into play if you were actually going to wall mount the screen. But, like I said, discontinued, and not an LCD.
--SS
Sony made great LCD projection TVs and JVC/Philips made LCOS DLPs (using Intel's liquid crystal on silicon process) that all lacked the "rainbow" effect. From what I've seen, the LED LCD TVs simply don't have enough of a quality difference to justify their price premium over regular LCDs. Plus, they add other problems to the LCD mix such as bluish whites, light bloom into shadows, poorer off-axis viewing and LED color shifts over time.
Airmantharp wrote:And in the Colony you have Fry's and a multitude of Best Buys near to check sets out- at 52", I'd point out the LN52B750, but above? You have me there.