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Dell vs Viewsonic

Postposted on Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:29 am

Hey guys, im gonna need another monitor soon because my 2nd build is done, the monitor i have now is nice, but will be going to my old computer(sig).

I really like Viewsonic, but i see you guys talk about the dell monitors alot.

Out of these 2, which is better? or, which would you pick?

I'd mostly be using it for gaming, but graphics as well.

-Viewsonic-
VP2030b

-Dell-
UltraSharp 2007FP
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Postposted on Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:14 am

and how come i can't find a response time for the dells? or am i blind?
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Postposted on Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:16 am

Vera wrote:and how come i can't find a response time for the dells? or am i blind?

It's 16ms link

The 2007fp has s-video and composite inputs if you ever want to watch a movie straight from the player or something.
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Postposted on Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:13 am

cool, thanks

also, one last question; what does the "Image Contrast Ratio" mean? On the dell its 800:1 on the VS is 1000:1 and the one i have now is 700:1

can someone dumb it down for me? lol
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Postposted on Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:18 am

Basically it is a numerical comparison of the brightest white to the darkes dar. So if your white is 100 lumens and black is .1 lumens, then 100/.1 = 1000:1 contrast ratio.
For all intents and purposes, the higher the ratio, the darker the black.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrast_ratio
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Re: Dell vs Viewsonic

Postposted on Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:14 am

Vera wrote:Hey guys, im gonna need another monitor soon because my 2nd build is done, the monitor i have now is nice, but will be going to my old computer(sig).
-Viewsonic-
VP2030b

-Dell-
UltraSharp 2007FP


I have been thinking about the Dell 2007fp but that panel seems to have a problem with banding.

Seems to be the same panel as the LG L2000C. Which is reportedly nice and fast, with good contrast. The main weakness seems to be banding which shows up in almost every review or user report I have read about the Dell or the LG with that panel.

I think I give up and will look into getting one more CRT to hold me over until LCD tech gets more bugs behind it.
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Re: Dell vs Viewsonic

Postposted on Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:26 am

snowdog wrote:I think I give up and will look into getting one more CRT to hold me over until LCD tech gets more bugs behind it.

They are not really bugs, they only show up if you compare with a CRT, and they are intrinsic to LCD tech.

What you need is a different tech or stay with CRT, but that discussion belongs to your own thread.
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Re: Dell vs Viewsonic

Postposted on Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:47 am

Flying Fox wrote:They are not really bugs, they only show up if you compare with a CRT, and they are intrinsic to LCD tech.


My monitor has to handle productivity/games/image editing/movies, so I need speed, viewing angles, and most definitely smooth gradient response. I thought a new generation S-IPS panel (in the 2007fp) would be close enough to CRT. If it weren't for the banding I would order one today (on sale in Canada).

Many issues are inherent, and they are getting better with each generation. But banding is a bug. Most modern 8bit LCD monitors no longer have banding issues. Yet almost everything I read about the Dell 2007fp/LG L2000C mention banding issues.
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Re: Dell vs Viewsonic

Postposted on Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:55 am

snowdog wrote:My monitor has to handle productivity/games/image editing/movies, so I need speed, viewing angles, and most definitely smooth gradient response. I thought a new generation S-IPS panel (in the 2007fp) would be close enough to CRT. If it weren't for the banding I would order one today (on sale in Canada).

Many issues are inherent, and they are getting better with each generation. But banding is a bug. Most modern 8bit LCD monitors no longer have banding issues. Yet almost everything I read about the Dell 2007fp/LG L2000C mention banding issues.

Some claimed the 2007 is P-MVA with 6-bit+FRC, so it's not S-IPS. That's your issue right there. My 2005FPW is good in colour reproduction, but viewing angle is there, you just can't expect to stare at it sideways and expect the same thing. Admit it, you are too used to CRTs. :wink:
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Re: Dell vs Viewsonic

Postposted on Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:12 am

Flying Fox wrote:Some claimed the 2007 is P-MVA with 6-bit+FRC, so it's not S-IPS. That's your issue right there. My 2005FPW is good in colour reproduction, but viewing angle is there, you just can't expect to stare at it sideways and expect the same thing. Admit it, you are too used to CRTs. :wink:


I asked someone who has the 2007fp on another forum:

"Yes, this is indeed a S-IPS panel made by LG-Philips.

I have the monitor right now and the model panel is LPL UXGA LTM201U05 "

No doubt I am very used to CRT. I have been computing on them for 20+ years. I see no reasons why I should settle for technology that is 1 step forward and 2 back. Since I use a 21" trinitron at work, I will continue to be used to CRT. And I don't expect to look at the thing sideways, but I expect the image to be stable if I move my head 2 inches, and offer the same tone to each eye. I don't think that is too much to ask.

Panel list:
http://aryarya.net/wassyoi/lcdmemo.html

Dell 2001FP = 20.1 inch 16 ms S-IPS (LG.Philips LM201U04) panel.
Dell 2001FP ver2 = 20.1 inch 16 ms S-IPS (LG.Philips LM201U04-SL02) panel.
Dell 2001FP ver3 = 20.1 inch 12 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM201U1-L01) panel.
Dell 2007FP = 20.1 inch 16 ms S-IPS (LG.Philips LM201U05) panel.
Dell 2005FPW (widescreen) = 20.1 inch 16 ms S-IPS (LG.Philips LM201W01) panel.
Dell 2007WFP (widescreen) = 20.1 inch 16 ms S-IPS (LG.Philips LM201WE2) panel.
Dell 2405FPW (widescreen) = 24 inch 12 ms (g2g) PVA (Samsung LTM240W1-L04) panel.
Dell 2405FPW (widescreen) ver2 = 24 inch 12 ms (g2g) PVA (Samsung LTM240M1-L01) panel.
Dell 2407WFP (widescreen) = 24 inch 6 ms (g2g) PVA (Samsung LTM240M1) panel.
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Postposted on Fri Apr 07, 2006 4:02 pm

That's interesting, I didn't know there were two versions of the 2405FPW panel. I was aware of the change to the power button, but not the panel. Does anyone know the difference?

We have a 2001FP at school which the recording studio uses. I wouldn't want to play games on it, but it's glorious. That's the one that actually made me consider LCD's...
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Postposted on Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:45 pm

Now the Viewsonic VP2030B and Dell 2007FP are within $30 of each other. I cannot decide which to buy. Any thoughts?
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Postposted on Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:04 pm

drsauced wrote:That's interesting, I didn't know there were two versions of the 2405FPW panel. I was aware of the change to the power button, but not the panel. Does anyone know the difference?
Specs: LTM240M1; LTM240W1-L04. The new one is almost twice as bright, weighs a lot less, and has a better response time. Not surprising the old one is EOL.
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