I want to know if this will translate into cost savings or something.
AMD are back to being the midget and I'm only going to buy from them if they offer close to intel performance for less.

The C2D @ 150$ US or so is a great buy, that being said - I'm trying to limit my spending lately and I want to buy smarter and cheaper.
If AMD can produce a 50-80$ CPU at 8/10'ths the speed, I'll seriously consider it.

Just in time for xmas :)

Good to see the 89W 5000+ part is down to 76W.

But lets see the chips! :P

I am operating under the assumption that the previous thread was capped simply because it was too long, not because the moderator didn't want JoshMST and Shintai to keep discussing.

I just wanted to note that in the last post by Proesterchen:

0.18µ TBird went to 1.4 GHz, 0.13µ Palomino was introduced at 1.2 GHz. (mid-2001)
0.13µ SOI Clawhammer went to 2.6 GHz, 90nm SOI Winchester was introduced at 2.2 GHz. (mid/late 2004)

Palomino was 180 nano not 130, so AMD's 180nm process went from 750 MHz to 1733 MHz, AXP 1.8 GHz Thoroughbred A was not introduced at 130nm until June 2002. So AMD's 130nm process also launched with increased clock speeds at launch. Although, since they didn't have a new core at that time, they might have deliberately waited on 130nm until they could get faster speeds on it.

http://techreport.com/reviews/2002q2/athlonxp-2200/index.x?pg=1

if this information is accurate it reminds of me the Athlon XP days of model numbers and clock speed stagnating against the Northwood P4's. I

So are these chips all 100 MHz faster and 512 Kb less cache that the 90-nano models? If so that seems to indicate that the new process is going OK, maybe better than it has in the past for AMD?

From what I've seen so far I would go with an E6600 and overclock if I were building right now. I'm not due for an upgrade for a few months and really won't need one then but hopefully AMD will have something I want. I think AMD rested a little too long in bringing something new to the table this time around. I've had AMD chips since the first Athlon but that could change.

prices?
bang/buck vs. core duo?