Cute, a paper launch. Just like 4x4 :)

As Walt said that he had"done quite well out of it"(gloat gloat) I would be surprised if he didnt know/recall his buy price down to the last cent.
As Proesterchen notes the lowest AMD share price was over $3.00 it would be fair to say a bit of embelishment is in play here.
If you're gonna stretch the truth then expect to get called on it.
That is hardly a pedantic position.

If what HKEPC is reporting ( http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/news.php?tid=708150&starttime=0&endtime=0 ) and Charlie is quoteing at The Inq ( http://uk.theinquirer.net/?article=36195 ) is true, AMD's got much more of a problem at their hands vs. previous forecasts:

According to these reports, K8L is topping out at 2 GHz (68W), 2.3 GHz (95W) and 2.5 GHz (120W) vs. previous expectations of 2.9 GHz.

lol....wow.....P that was a beauty :)

For AM2 only. Will they be available for Socket 939 or am I stuck with a dinosaur after one year of ownership? This BS has to stop shame on you AMD. They change sockets like most people change their underwear. Intel has stuck with the same socket for how long now? I think AMD has changed 3 times in the same time span.

Man its fun reading all these comments :)
I think its time to accept tho that "every fan boy has his day".
All the Intel fans here had to take it on the chin for a damn long time and it would show a little bit of grace for the AMD fans to do the same.
You only need to go back to TR front page comments of a year or so ago to see AMD and NVidia fans absolutely trashing anything released by Intel and howling at every day that the shelves werent stocked with newly announced ATI products.
All the regulars here know quite well that its pretty much tongue in cheek anyway so lets keep the comments in a similar vein.
I think Jigar said it best with"Hes just fullfilling his role". Nice one Jigar lol!

Seriously, WTF is wrong with people? Have their logic skills gone down the tubes? The shameless bashing and ad ad hominem attacks have to stop.

AMD never any solid claims nether has Intel about their recent product releases. It is a rarity that semiconductor-based products get released on the projected release date with decent quantities.

I want to see what the new Brisband-based A64s have to offer before making any solid judgment.

I am not surprised if the announcement is meant for OEMs. AMD's current strategy is focus on OEM and Enterprise segments. Enthusiast ring matters very little to Intel and AMD.

I am disapointed.
AMD one year ago sad that with the introduction of 65nm they introduce other technologies to. Like for example SI-Ge wafer technology resarched together with IBM. Where is that? I cant find no mention of that! SI-Ge would reduce even further the leakage. Strained Silicon Technologi(SST) what Intel uses for low consuption would arrive with AMD's 65nm technology, combined with SOI. Also, where is that?
In the past when a new stepping arrived, we had all over the net, benchmarks and all that stuff well before it reached the stores. Where are the samples? Where is the big IT press covering the new stepp? All this is weard, for me. I hope for the competitivenes that AMD is not in a truble, with manufacturing, R&D or something else.

PS. Sorry for my english, I'm not a native english speaker.

Ignoring the pathetic fanboy arguments here, I read this on ExtremeTech: "At idle, AMD's 90-nm Athlon 64 X2 consumes 7.5 watts. Its latest 65-nm chips idle at 3.8 watts. By comparison, the 65-nm Core 2 Duo idles at 14.3 watts."

If this is true, it would appear that AMD have a very low leakage 65nm process, and maybe it hints at some process technology improvements beyond a straight shrink.

"The 65-nm development work was researched in conjunction with IBM. Normally, a processor conversion would take nearly a full year; AMD's goal is to complete it within about half that time, Huynh said. The next step? To catch up with Intel on 45-nm, which last week announced test samples of its 45-nm "Penryn" processors. AMD's goal is to catch up with Intel in 18 months, he said."

This will be good for AMD, their tardiness with regards to process technology is affecting them negatively.

The good news:

* 65-nano will hopefully alleviate some strain on AMD.
* Power figures are 65 watts across the board. Yay.
* Scales to 2.6GHz - it seemed many were worried they wouldn't even get that high.
* The prices are looking pretty dern good.

The bad news:

* No retail
* No TR review (yet)

I guess I have never really cared about hard launches. Yes, it is nice from a consumer point of view, because you can go out and buy the product right off the bat. But from the other side of the fence (manufacturers, retailers, OEM's) hard launches have been really rough. If you think about the supply chain, and how it has to react to demand, it is a really rough thing to coordinate. It seems that NVIDIA has got it down pretty good, as the original 7800 GTX and later GT launches were met with availability (7800 GTX 512 was a nasty little thing though) and the 7900/7600 series, not to mention the latest 8800. It is a tough act to follow for anybody.

While people were able to get C2D at launch, here in the states it was awfully tight for quite a few weeks. And this is Intel, who has more resources and fab space than anyone else (and more demand for their products as well). For a smaller guy like AMD, hard launches are a near impossibility, unless all the stars and planets line up correctly. I wouldn't doubt that a lot of OEM's have these 65 nm parts, as they have apparently been in production since a late August time frame. I don't necessarily think it is a copout by AMD to announce an OEM launch, but I think it is more for marketing clout and Wall Street more than anything. It will be interesting to see how AMD is able to deliver, but I imagine (lust like C2D in the States) that we will see good availability of these parts a few weeks from now (think early January).

Now, the big question is how much extra headroom will AMD's 65 nm process have? Also, were they able to integrate a lot of these advanced process features into this design or not? Or are the first products off of the 65 nm line pretty basic (no SiGe, etc.)? One would assume so, just so AMD can work any potential kinks out of the process. Or will they be a bit more conservative and not include some of those things and just work on getting midrange clocked chips out in good quantities?

The CPU black hole that is Dell is no doubt going to suck up most of them.

About time! Those 90 nm power-hungry beasties were looking decidedly embarrassing next to intel's frugal 65 nm stuff. I guess we will see 65 nm cores gradually replacing existing model numbers as AMD runs out of old stock.

Upside: with no more 1MB L2 cache cores around at least the model numbers will make a little bit of sense, hopefully giving a better idea of relative performance.

I do also wonder what kind of crazy RAM frequencies we will see resulting from these intermediate CPU speeds. I guess AMD holds back actual RAM frequencies intentionally to avoid giving users a headache with some messy number like 763.4573..... MHz.

And now they can say "we moved to 65nm technology in 2006" by releasing a few of them in the last month of the year.

Any instant rebates on these?

I wonder what kind of OCing potential we'll see on that 65nm 4000+...

AMD needs to cut prices little more... It's just not looking pretty when they can get a conroe system for equal amount and perform better than these X2 series... Not to mention the overclocking results the new conroe bring...

Cool...AMD 65nm chips.Cant wait to see them tested against the C2D chips.

Weird clockrates, I wonder how much they OC being 65nm?

And then roughly a year or year and a half after AM2+ arrives socket AM3 and fusion will take the spotlight. Welcome to the era of the ~one year AMD motherboard standard.

I think this is a nice way of saying "we only only have handful of these for the OEMs". You'll probably see real retail availability next year.

AMD isn't any worse than Intel in the grand scheme of socket shuffle, but that's not a compliment. There will be 939 chips for a long time to come, but you'll have to accept some limitations. Harder to swallow is that AM2 is already planned to be phased out for AM2+ and the benefits of AM2+ look to be pretty big. Best to hang on to that ol' 939 board until AM2+ arrives next year.

And the fun with the memory frequency begins.

Still good to see them start to ship volume. Maybe this will leave 90nm processors in the channel for everyone else.