i dont even know what to say to a lot of these comments lol... i respect the ps3 a lot but if u actually read into their almighty cell processor u would see that it has a great amount of power only at specific things... the 360 has 3 general cores that can do whatever which makes it more versatile. as for the graphics... well the 360's are more powerful. to me it seems that the 360 has more potential than the ps3. i fully agree with microsoft upgrading their 360, companies do that to stay competitive. the upgrades are only gonna make it better

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halo 3 will kill the ps3

Personally i want a PS3. I still think it's a great console (OH BOY! Here comes the attacks!). I like the six axis controller idea, and i KNOW the console is just as powerful as tha 360 (may just take time to harness that power is all, whether it gets harnessed tho... well i can't say). Also, it's hasn't been out as long, so of course there are more and better games for 360, it's had more time to develope an established game base (which was a part of M$'s plans in getting the console out before PS3). Also since the console came out earlier, developers have had time to figure out the consoles little quirks, and what have you's, as a result the games may look better simply because they have had more time to refine methodes of development for the graphics on that particlar system. In case no one else has noticed, games that look great on them now will not look great on them in 3 years. The games for BOTH 3 years from now will look far superior. Just the way things go.

As for the 360... great console, would love to have one too. Just as good as the PS3 (not better or worse). Think the games that are coming out are awesome and hope to see what they do this time around. I liked the last XBox (though i sold it because i didn't use it as often as my ps2 which i use often as a dvd player), i thought it was a great console and liked it while i had it very much. Also, for all you PS3 haters out there, i would remind you, the 360 was a serious POS from day one. It was having overheating issues, eating up and ruining game discs, i mean they had some SERIOUS problems. Fortunately for M$ the majority of that seems to be behind them and as is apparent and now are sitting with a decent console which they are working on releasing with an updated cpu on a smaller fab process (should help with the heat issues somewhat i would hope), and have added a HDMI (from what appears in the photos under the assumption they are to be believed). Long story short i like both and would love to have both. Really at this point i have no preference towards either one.

Nintendo wii... well it's a horrible comparison for 360 or ps3. The wii is in no way a next gen console, they used basically recycled game cube parts imho, and just redid the control scheme on it. The console is not powerful at all and as a result is just simply not in the same arena as either of the other two. The other two are meant to be high end, high perfromance, high fps, and are targeting a much different age bracket too. Nintendo has a very good "family friendly" oriented game content and as a result their consoles are typically prefereable for younger kids and such. Don't get me wrong, good family fun is great sometimes when your with your buddy's and just wanna play something dumb and kinda fun though! Plus lets not forget the cost, it is the cheapest, and as a result it will see earlier adoption as the 250 dollar hit for a wii isn't as great as a 400 ~600 dolalr hit for a 360 or PS3 (i only include the premium 360 version because in all reality... you want the hard drive. do you need it? No, but like i said, for the VAST majority it's a definite want). Remember the lack of real "next gen" equipment inside of it? Well that leads to high number too. Faster production of more consoles that are more reliable as there is fewer "untested" tech inside of it. As a result the wii should be outselling the PS3 and the 360 right there. The thing is cheap, and easy and dang fast to produce, and thus as a result they have not had the supply issues that plaqued the PS3 and 360 (for 360 supply issues look back in old forums... it really was pretty bad, there were VERY few of them at release).

Like i said, if i had to pick two consoles, i would choose both 360 and ps3 (currently not a fan of the Wii, but we will see where it goes). I think both have their merits and i would like to see all three consoles live strong and see where each of them go. PS3 has some SERIOUS CPU power over the 360 with it's MANY cores and should help in multithreading games for the future i would hope. 360 has a better video card in it (from what i am understanding) as it has a unified design that ATI implemented (Again as goes my understanding) so hopefully we should see some refinements in that area as well.. plus the tripple core CPU is no slouch itself, that too should help multithreading again. The wii will do nothing to help those area, but in the aspect of unique controller design it will be fascinating to see where they go and what exclusive titles that may possibly come out for it. Also as for the PS3, im hoping to see some physics being run on it, since it does have enough cpu overhead to do so. Hopefully that will help game play some if we can get more realistic physics that affect the game. Also the PS3 really can be used as more than just a game console, and that is a big plus to me.

Long story short, each console has it's place and it's own stregnths and weakness's, and in time we will see what each one can do. Right now to call ANY shots on the PS3 is just dumb. It just simply has not been out long enough, it may kick @$$, it may flop (hope not though). 360 on the other hand, well you can probably make a safe bet it's not going too many places at this point, so it will probably be around for a while longer yet. Wii will NOT compete with 360 or PS3, but will have it's place and (if early numbers are any indication) should sell well and HOPEFULLY have some interesting and unique titles developed for it. The reason i say the wii cannot compete with either, is because it just can't. Everyone was talking about game developers not wanting to make exclusive titles... well you cannot simply port a game from PS3/360 to a wii... the poor thing just cannot handle that type of load. And it WILL only get worse as time goes on, as a result i fear that Nintendo will need exclusive titles for it if it is to succeed. Yea they ported CoD3, but only because they were able to butcher the graphics on it. I suspect on future titles that will not be possible, or will at least not be worth doing. Like i said though, the console will probably not flop, but will definitely not be playing with the same type of games as PS3/360 will be dabbling around in. Basically what i am getting at is that all three consoles rock and each has their place. As for who prefers what is just a matter of preference. Personal example, i hate Wii (hopefully though i tried to be somewhat unbiased in this post, i really did try!), and as a result... im not buying one. I will express my dislike for it and back it up as to why i think that, if someone else wants it though, good for them, i really do hope they enjoy it. If they have fun with it, and was a worthwile investment for them, then that's great!

Yea idk... i tried making a post here saying what i thought on the matter after reading all the trolling comments and such, but didn't want to seem like a troll myself. Sorry as i know it is pretty dang long! Basically i like both consoles and wouldn't mind having both as i really like 360 and i really like PS3... guess i don't see why is HAS to be one or the other... why not both? Plenty of market to play around in imo.

Just miscrosoft's way of admitting they have an inferior product and desperate attempt to give it some kind of an upgrade.

But, the battle is lost. As soon as exclusive PS3 titles hit , it's rest in pieces xbox.

When kellokitty attacks something you own, you know you've purchased the right product.

I have been thinking of getting an xbox just to have more options of games that i can play. now i will wait until the second rev comes out no need of buying now if a newer model is just around the corner.

*Smilies*...I don't buy consoles, this is just one of the reasons. *Hugs PC*

I really don't know why people keep bashing products, you realize that the consumer wins when there is competition. I have personally seen both consoles and think there both very comparable. But as a pc builder the one thing that surprises me is why would sony put a gpu in there console that is very similer to a 7800gtx. Its common knowledge that untill the 8800 series came out nvidia's gpu's were a little behind in image quality and could not offer any aa with hdr lighting, also there video quality was behind, also kinda funny to combine that with a blu-ray player. where microsofts xbox 360 actually put a gpu that was ahead of its time with its unified shaders and on gpu memory to give aa for free. Everyone here knows you can take the fastest computer and if you throw a slow gpu in it well the system is a good as its weekest link.

Poor early adopters.

on paper the 360 is vastly inferior to the ps3, and msft can't stand looking inferior in anyway. even the name "360" was meant not to look lesser than the playstation (xbox2 vs ps3).

i like the additions, the 20 gig hard drive is almost useless for media (mine came with only 11gb free), and the vast majority of tv sets can't display 1080p over component input.

i would have liked to see a 600 dollar uber version with hd-dvd to compete with the high end ps3.

Confirmed w/video and pics!

http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EEylpyZkVpwzemjZKk.php

Games- Has anyone seen a PS3 actually play a native 1080p game? Do we know that it actually will? Do we know when one will come out?

DRM and movie format- Will HD-DVD or Blu-Ray or some hybrid win the format war? Or movie downloading? Have the content providers settled on a standardized DRM strategy for any format and will they stick with it?

Televisions- The vast majority of tv watchers still watch 4:3 tv sets at 480i and 480p for dvd. 1080p sets will gain momentum this year. But that just means the masses will scoop up cheaper 720p or 1080i sets next holiday season. We are probably two holiday seasons away from seeing any significant pick up in 1080p purchases. So two years away from even needing an hdmi output on the 360.

I think the 360 is just better positioned to move in whatever direction the above events play out. I think if Blu-Ray wins, we'll see a Blu-Ray add-on drive. Same for hybrid drives. But I don't think we'll see any change in internal drive until formats and tv resolutions and drm for the digital pathway from the console to the back of the tv are all completely finalized.

I guess Nintendo could learn a thing or two. Remember they quietly removed the digital video output from the gamecube. In that case, poor late adopters.

Always quietly add, never subtract.

But no HD-DVD drive...interesting.

If they start production in early 2007 doesn't that mean we won't be seeing it til' about 6 months later or so given known estimated lead times?

Yay for Costco.

How is this "second gen" as far as the user is concerned...

Other than a bigger hard drive (which the first gen guys could probably upgrade to), and HDMI, there's nothing here.

I wonder what they'll name it, XBOX 720 perhaps?

It is all good if it is real. This wont perform any better as in overall speed of the console. It is more of a PR move than anything. The number of Xbox 360 owners today that can use 720p....is less than 20%....I would say less than 5% that could use 1080p.

. Bigger HD good if you need it and it will be an option just like the current one is today. I still have 11gig free on my 20gig. At volume it will add probably $15 more per 360.

. HDMI.....like I said PR to say that the 360 has it to like the PS3. All games ship with support for 720p....very few will ship with 720p and 1080p. If HD-DVD wins the next race over BR then this will be important and the end of the life of the 360. It will add probably 50 cents per Xbox 360.

.65nm CPU....will still be clocked at 3.2ghz...will be cooler and use less power. Will save money since IBM will be able to make more per wafer and pass along the cost saving to MS. If it requires way less power it could save on other componets and if the heat is way less you could save money on a smaller case?....smaller heat sink?......one less fan??? It will save money and fore the minority that are just plain dumb and put their 360 in a tight place...save a few 360's which saves more money for MS.

MS makes $75 per Xbox 360 premium. This wont change that..might even make it better with the die shrink.

PS3 is never going to catch up.

Natural progression.

I don't think anyone would have considered that MS wouldn't reduce the cost by utilising a smaller cooler process for the chip (higher yields, cheaper cooling, cheaper PSU), or add features to remain feature-competitive (HDMI), or up the storage when it suits them (HD movie downloads make a hard drive desirable from an extra-revenue point of view).

I guess it was some other Evan who sent this article link in... I definitely didn't.

I don't understand why people complain when an improved product is released. It's one thing if a product is made obsolete quickly after first release, but I don't see any company doing that. You know what you're buying when you buy it, and you agree to pay the price asked. Why should you complain when something better is released? It's not like the function of current xbox 360's is going to be in any way degraded. The only reason I can think of is that the person is only concerned with having the latest and greatest.

That would be sweet if they stealth upgraded all Xbox's to have HD-DVD drives standard, to counter Sony's claim that Blu-Ray has taken off just because they could get sheeple to buy their lame console.