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24bit mode uses integers to represent values, 32bit mode is typically FP values for each sample.
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I know many of us would prefer PCI-e hardware these days, but is it really fair to ding these cards for being PCI? I mean, the Oxygen chip is the bus interface, so if you design around that chip you get a PCI implementation - no options. Agreed that an objective review has to call a spade a spade, but you might mention that PCI vs. PCI-e is not a board manufacturer's choice when the decision is made to build a C-Media 8788 card.
Otherwise, great review and yes, the graphs are very handy. |
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Spotpuff |
Why can't someone that isn't Creative come out with a hi def card that has games acceleration as well? We need competition.
Needs to be: 1. High quality/HD Audio 2. digital output 3. hardware acceleration for games etc. 4. PCI-E So far it's like, compromise in games or overall quality. Why is there a need for compromise in the first place :( |
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Zenith |
I have a running set of Logitech Z-680 speakers. They were originally ran by my Soundstorm DDL output, but are now ran by a Chaintech AV-710.
I have to tell you...the lossy method DD uses really affects sound IMO. As much as I loved the Soundstorm solution, I wouldn't return to DDL/DTS encoding after experiencing 24bit/192kHz audio quality. |
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Chrispy_ |
Yes, that was a solid read. I read it so thoroughly that it took me an entire episode of House on my second screen. Guess the lack of soundcard reviews has piqued my interest for this article :)
I bought an SBLive! value to play Half-Life with EAX and it's still in my main system alongside my X1800XT. Sure it's not as swanky as my flatmate's Xi-Fi but it's as good as, or better than my speakers, so what do I care? My loathing of creative, no matter how much I still like my Creative card is the godawful drivers, and the C-Media panel really looks like it could teach Creative something. Perhaps DirectX could implement a control panel for the sound cards, cutting out the crap and just showing the compatible directsound functions. |
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HalcYoN[nV] |
FYI, beta Vista 32 driver is up at Auzentech.
http://www.auzentech.com/site/support/FAQ.php#compatibility OpenAL is still future... |
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Prion |
Whatever happened to ICEnsemble/VIA? After the wonderful cards designed around the Envy24 and Envy24HT we haven't really seen anything...
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ludi |
The X-Meridian, however, is boldly silkscreened with the proclamation that it's developed and designed in the US. Amusingly, flipping the card reveals that it's actually made in Korea.
Ah, yes, just like the Simpsons (:\D Regarding the swappable opamps: The ironic aspect is that the high-speed, higher-bandwidth opamps the self-proclaimed audiophiles will go for are more prone to instability, meaning, it's better to mount them directly to the PCB holes (or even better, use surface mount) in order to avoid nuisance oscillation. But opamps are not easy to swap unless you have sockets. So guess what... |
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20dB@10Hz |
This is very good review and comparison.
It confirms what I thought: DDL is worth it only if you are ready to give up on true EAX and accept slower frame rate. There is no benefit for music listening unless you are ready to swap the opamp for a better one and accept inherent instability of such solution (as pointed out in #22) I would add this: DDL and DTS Connect are great solutions born from the need to squeeze multichannel audio into limited bandwidth of SPDIF intended for stereo. I always wonder why AES/EBU was not implemented on both ends instead. This is protocol designed for multichannel audio, right? |
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HammerSandwich |
I'm not familiar with RMAA's limitations, but there seem to be some. (All comments based on results with the X-Fi recording, not loopback.)
Why do the 24/96 frequency-response graphs hit a brick wall just after 20KHz? If RMAA doesn't test higher frequencies, what can 96KHz tests show? I noticed no reduction in noise levels when moving from 16 to 24 bits. Whether this is a testing artifact, a problem with all of the included cards or a general result of putting audio devices inside a noisy PC case remains a tough call. Finally, what happened with the 24/96 crosstalk? The graph is awful and doesn't match the generated rating. |
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Shinare |
I notice that you are using an X-Fi fatality. Would your conclusions hold true for an X-Fi extreme gamer or extrememusic? I only ask because I will probably be getting the ExtremeGamer in the very near future and dont want to pay for "Fatal1ty" branded card if it performs as well in games.
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