Hmm, nice, ive always been a sorta ATI and AMD fan anyway, so ths is good news to my ears :]

Watching the ati fanboys is alot like watching that iraqi guy as kept saying the americans were being driven back blah blah blah;/

If not for fanoys id have to steal candy from babies to get this kind of sick evil enjoyment.

First Post fo shizzle my bizzles.

Yay for a 5% performance lead over Nvidia's 6-month old part.

Yay for super high end hardware that consumes to much yet can be consumed by too few.

Yay for massive delays and limited initial availability.

Edit: Yay for YAMF R600 headline.

Wow, a lot of flame wars on incomplete and most likely inaccurate results on an artificial benchmark.

The fanboys make far too many assumptions and baseless conclusions without any solid evidence.

What happened to the saying "wait until the final hardware reaches several official benchtables to make a conclusion"?

Feature creep meets wrking on what you think is your final chip design before being canned... Thats what I think happened.

Well that plus trying desperately not to be canned by the new owners. Yes sir I can make that no problem sir!....dozens of heeks in lab coats stare at each other and start mentaly brushing up their resume in case nvidia needs more people....

Once again, a kidnapped thread... Good work, P-S

I'd like to know more about DVD-BD-HDDVD decoders. Right now, a "mere" ATIX1XXX es better than DVD players in the 500-600$. And NVIDIA do have a hardware MPEG decoder that ATI haven't...

Do we know anything about this matter?

Possible front page apology:

If USA = unified shader architecture then I retract my criticism of Proest for being hateful.

If USA = United States of America (which is what I thought it meant) then my criticism stands.

If the former is the case, try not using such abbreviations until you have typed out the full term at least once.

AMD missed a really good chance to dump the pathetic naming system for the cards which has become something ONLY an enthusiast can remember.R6 actually makes a fairly good name for this card series.
AMD R6 Graphics card.
R6 , R6 GT , R6PRO , R6 XT
They could fight over the low end details....anything would be better than more XXX TTXTTX s.
People like things with names.More Xs and Ts etc is what you use when you can't think of a name.

Silence Fanboys!

FWIW, historical patterns indicate that it is likely that R600 will have image improvements over the R5xx series:

The original Radeon (R100?) had improvements:
http://techreport.com/reviews/2001q1/radeon/index4.x

The R200:
http://techreport.com/reviews/2001q4/r200/index.x?pg=5

The R300 (goes without saying):
too many articles to link even at TR, don't know which is best, take this one:
http://techreport.com/etc/2002q3/nextgen-gpus/index.x?pg=1

R400: none really, just a faster wider R300 with some performance oriented features - should probably have been code named R380 or some such

R500:
http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q4/radeon-x1000/index.x?pg=2
x1900 is just a revision of R500

So historically speaking, R400 is the only GPU series ATI has ever released that hasn't had any IQ enhancements / improvements / additions.

What's more, with this being "more new" than going from on DX9 chip design to the next, I'd think it's even more likely to see some IQ gains with this new chip.

The safe bet is that R600, like the G80, should get some enhancements in the IQ area, but historical patterns do not constitute proof, especially regarding this subject. But it is enough to suggest that if anyone here is spreading bias / FUD, it is those who say that suggest there may be no IQ gains.

While I generally try not to comment on unreleased hardware on whether or not it will be good/bad but I can't help but notice the molex connectors.

They might as well use surplus 20pin connectors on these cards as they are already up to 14pins, if they don't need it great, but people are going to start getting pissed with all these new connectors.

Where are the benchmark pictures? All I see is pictures of the cards....

I was gonna wait to possibly get the XT. Maybe I'll just order the GTS now since it's not like 5% is much. I'm guessing max the XTX will be 10% faster with fully optimized drivers seeing as the card will be released soon. So the XT may not even be faster than the GTS, and if so, not by any noticable margin when actually gaming....

"The frontal shot contains sensitive information so we can't show it here."
what a load of crock.

All I know is, Newegg delivered a 8800 to my house while I am at work.
How ya like me now?

Oh oks now I see its the 80 nm chip running at 800 mhz.. still at that speed it should have beat the 8800 by 10 or more not 2 even on poor drvers.

And now we know why they had to go to 65.

Holy mother of fred!!!!! I was expecting the 750 mhz chip to beat the old 8800 I expected the 1 ghz model to putter on by with a ok 25 to a third lead. Not this.

Wow, all this hate for ATI and yet no one has pointed out that these benchies were run on incomplete beta drivers while the 8800 has 6 months of "out-in-the-wild" driver refinements to bench on.

I also love all the "6 months late to the party" quotes, but you all know that as soon as its out, it will sell, regardless of how "late" you consider it to be. And those that want the fastest card (and if this is that card) they will buy it. The first post should have been "Que all the '6 moths late to teh party' posts" but I see that the first post was actually one of those, heh.

Cyril, don't know what you're smoking, man :)

So the new card looks to be only marginally faster than the GTX, after being 6 months late, in a new process, revised several times, etc etc etc, and you're saying that NV should be worried about it, and that's why they're launching Ultra? I say that it's extremely disappointing, as others have pointed out.

Of course, we all know that bragging rights about the fastest cards count for something, and that's probably why the Ultra's coming out, but apart from that, I think they're just fine as they are.

There's also little word as to what price these will come out (especially with such incredibly tight supply), so... it's wait and see yet some more.

512-bit memory and only 5% faster? If true, then this is extremely disappointing.

With 512bit memory controller and faster ram speed only 200 more 3dmark than 8800gtx with 384bit.

I think I'm buying GTX once the prices drop.