http://www.superwarehouse.com/PNY_Verto_GeForce_8800_GTS_512_MB_Vid...

Whoa....so the new GTS isn't a G92 based card with VP2 and enhanced shaders. That is truly horrible. I can't wait until November 15 now to see what ATI will spit out with that RV670 and R680.

I find this extremely surprising, I expected the new 8800GTS to be perhaps 128 stream processors, 320bit (up over the GT's 256bit) and of course 640mb, with perhaps a 350$ price point.

What they've announced however sounds like the 8800GT will likely be much better value for money at 230$ (as low as)

I also expected a 550$ GTX Ultra II edition, with perhaps dual 256bit, 1gb ram and maybe 160 stream processors - G92 based or something.

Anyhow the fact the new GTS is crappy is actually GOOD means the 8800GT is more solidly confirmed as a smart buy.

Still, Cervat Yerli from Crytek keeps claiming in interviews Nvidia has something nice coming mid Nov, surely he doesn't mean this card?

Cyril and Scott - thanks for chasing this one down and getting the real story. Sounds like another board review coming up =)

so...whats the final word? "new" 8800GTS >> 8800GT?

i hope that is true...coz that would mean GT prices go way down...way way down :D

Oh... right. You stirred up hell Cyril with that report :P

Evidence strongly suggest this information is incorrect. EVGA and BFG both have specs available. They have 1300MHz shader and 575MHz core clocks. MUCH slower than the GT.

Clearly this is a way to clear out some G80 chips, nothing more.

Edit: toning down rhetoric.

Don't you think that if the current G80-based products just got a whole new pile of performance that they would maybe TELL THE BOARD PARTNERS? If the current 8800 line of products are now shipping with a higher performance GPU then I would assume the people who sell the boards would like to know this, and based on what I've seen at the wesites of evga, xfx, msi, and pny, the 8800GTS and 8800GTX have not changed.

Nvidia's website was modified yesterday to reflect the new G92-based 8800GT. The specs for the G80-based boards have not changed on their site. Now, if I"m in a competitive business it seems like I would want to advertise the fact that my older models just got a big performance boost with the use of a new chip.

The ONLY way this makes any sense is if the "source" at nvidia meant "shipping" to mean "we're stocking our partners with as-yet unannounced higher-performance products that will include G92 as the GPU. When we announce the product, then our partners will advertise it's availability". "Shipping" meaning "filling the pipeline", in this situation.

hmmm, I've recently read at most other places that G92 is a 256bit core, not 320bit (regarding memory interface)

I'd love to see a link proving this is true for the 320bit-part

Talk about confusing people. Especially if you know of, and want the newer card. How the hell are you going to tell the difference?

And with that said, if the GT performed as well, or out performed the GTS, then is this new GTS going to perform as well, or out perform the GTX?

This is just going to make some people happy and some unhappy .. Old stocks are in the market. Nvidia should named it something else IMO

Heh, I guess that confirms my suspicions about the G92 hiding a whole lot more under the hood.

NV would be smart to clock the new GTS up to 600, but with the extra ROP and greater memory bus width. That way it would be able to outdo the current 8800 GT and GTS.

I'm pretty sure that NV is anxiously awaiting RV670 to see if they want to "refresh" the GTX cards with G92 running at 650 MHz to 700 MHz with the full 384 bit memory bus.

all the 8800's on newegg say they have 96 stream processors... so they must be G80's. I would imagine video card manufacturers would try to differentiate the names based on the new version of the chip.

Nvidia really should have given this product a new name instead of slipping it into this old name.

So the GTS now is essentially a GT with 16% slower core, 11% slower memory, but a 25% wider memory path?

Is the GTS meant to be higher or lower than the GT in the marketing range?

Man I wish things were still as simple as video card A, and it's higher priced sibling B which has faster core and memory speed, and B's cousin B1 which has more memory, and sibling C which has the highest speeds of all and the most memory. Instead of this "well the core is slower but the memory is faster but the bus width is narrower but the number of stream processors is higher but it doesn't integrate video processing so on particular applications this twice-the-price card might be slower than the cheaper card because we want you to buy multiple cards for multiple machines rather than having to pay for just one general-use system".

GT stock:
Core: 600 Mem: 900 (256 bit bus)
New GTS:
Core: 500 Mem: 800 (but 320 bit bus)

If such a card does exist, it would be only to reduce the amount of G80 chips in production. Given the faster clock of the GT, it is unlikely that Nvidia intends to promote the GTS as a superior product (at least with these specs).

Just when I thought my graphics card buying decision was going to be easy with the GT, Nvidia goes and throws something else into the mix. The question now becomes.. how much this card will cost?

Any chance of a rereview? The GT did inordinately well against the GTS, but this will change the equation.